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I was talking with a friend of mine who has a bunch of old vinyl and he said that he heard of a device that can hook up with your computer or act as a stand alone device to record his vinyl to make cd's direct.

Has anyone hear of such an item?

If it does not make cd's direct, will it record the vinyl to your computer in digital format to make cd's or turn it into mp3 files?

Thanks in advance.
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There are turntables you can get with USB interfaces. There is software to convert to probably any format you like and remove the clicks and pops. I'm sure others will chime in who have done it. I just heard about it from a couple friends.

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This low cost solution has been around for awhile, though I've not tried it yet personally.

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i use the creative x-fi platinum sound card ..it has an external consol with rca jacks for the turn table connections i find this to be the best for my needs ..in one mouse click you can convert to mp3 or wave ..direct to your hard drive from your turntable ..external consol comes with it's own pre-amp that converts songs in my opinion at a very high quality sample rate ..then you can burn the song to cd's from the creative software or use windows media player ..i have hundreds of albums and this is the best solution for my needs,,
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Jazz,

Do you use any type of software to take out the hiss and pops from the vinyl? I am bit ignorant of the external consol that you are talking about.....do you mean for the turn table?

Thanks
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There is some software to do that, but the more clean-up you do, the more chance there is of removing important stuff too.

Just because there is a knob doesn't mean you should turn it.
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Do you use any type of software to take out the hiss and pops from the vinyl? I am bit ignorant of the external consol that you are talking about.....do you mean for the turn table?

Thanks

I would say, use the soundcard in your computer, and record with Audacity (freeware). Then you can manually take away the pops and fix the tracks. Cheap and good.

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Were you looking for something like this http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/audio/90a0/
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Does anyone make a phono stage with a good ADC and a SPDIF output yet?
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I remember seeing this awhile back. Not sure how good it is but for the price it seems to be worth a try.
http://www.honestech.com/main/vhs_to...37;20&%20Video

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Jazz,

Do you use any type of software to take out the hiss and pops from the vinyl? I am bit ignorant of the external consol that you are talking about.....do you mean for the turn table?

Thanks

no i don't the albums i collect or near mint to mint condition there isn't any need for filters or eraseing pops or crackels ...a few pops i can live with ..my record collection go's back to 1968 ..my first album was miles ahead... i love grant green ..john coltrane andsonny rollins... great tenor men...flautis ..herbie mann..
george benson....jazz crusaders...
the external consol is just a consul that connects to your sound card ..allowing you to adjust the sound cmss.. inputs for mike and line in connections ..the rear portion u hook your rca cables..the pre amp is built in to the box so i would reccommend a direct drive turn table ..the creative xfi platinum comes with eveything one needs to get started recording vinyl..it's fulfilled all my needs..the software is
amplitude le
cubase le
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for your music creation
to me this is a no brainer everything i needed in one package

and beleive me the recording quality is very good ..
i've wasted my money on crap before ..stay away from radio shack

in any system the pre amp is the weak link
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Were you looking for something like this http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/audio/90a0/

i just don't trust that usb port ...
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Thanks for all the tips.....I checked out that unit with turntable and usb port and I believe that is what the guy had to be talking about.

I will probably but this time and give it a whirl. For the $99 that it costs, it is worth the effort to give it a shot. Especially since some of the old R&B and Funk albums that my buddy has are going for $75 plus on cd since they are OOP or not even available.

If the sound quality is not there, then I will have to take on Jazz's tips and dig a bit deeper.

Thanks again.
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Does anyone make a phono stage with a good ADC and a SPDIF output yet?

The Hagerman Ripper (www.hagtech.com/ripper.html) is supposed to be good. But it has USB1.1 output rather than SPDIF. On the other hand they have a 30 day free trial.
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Does anyone have the Stanton T.90? I read a review that it handled quadraphonic records. I've got a few of those. Not sure how the software will handle it, though. Any thoughts?

http://reviews.digitaltrends.com/rev...endly4523.html "The Stanton T.90 turntable plays Orthophonic, Stereophonic, Quadraphonic, and other records just fine. "
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Were you looking for something like this http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/audio/90a0/

Is this the same turntable? If it is, there is a huge difference in price. The one from sharper image has line inputs to digitize other sources as well.
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I was talking with a friend of mine who has a bunch of old vinyl and he said that he heard of a device that can hook up with your computer or act as a stand alone device to record his vinyl to make cd's direct.

Has anyone hear of such an item?

If it does not make cd's direct, will it record the vinyl to your computer in digital format to make cd's or turn it into mp3 files?

Thanks in advance.

Here are a few devices:

Tascam DV-RA1000HD

Tascam DV-RA1000

Tascam HD-P2

Alesis MasterLink ML-9600

I own the Tascam DV-RA1000HD. It does Redbook CD, DVD-A and DVD-V (with a program that comes with the unit) and has an internal HD for temporary storage. It allows you to transfer back and forth between a computer if you want to edit the file on the computer and then record it to a disc afterwards.

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Jazz,

Do you use any type of software to take out the hiss and pops from the vinyl? I am bit ignorant of the external consol that you are talking about.....do you mean for the turn table?

Thanks

I bought Adobe Audition to take out clicks, pops and other assorted artifacts. Then after editing I can move it back to the Tascam for burning, and I can also burn it using the computer as well...

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Here are a few devices:

Tascam DV-RA1000HD

Tascam DV-RA1000

Tascam HD-P2

Alesis MasterLink ML-9600

I own the Tascam DV-RA1000HD. It does Redbook CD, DVD-A and DVD-V (with a program that comes with the unit) and has an internal HD for temporary storage. It allows you to transfer back and forth between a computer if you want to edit the file on the computer and then record it to a disc afterwards.

what's a good set-up for transferring vinyl-to-CD (or computer)?

Would a USB turntable be the best solution?
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what's a good set-up for transferring vinyl-to-CD (or computer)?

Would a USB turntable be the best solution?

If money isn't an issue I would get the Tascam DV-RA1000HD. A USB turntable may not be so great on your vinyl if you plan to ever use the records again. If you don't have a TT though, then I guess you are sort of stuck anyway, unless you plan on buying a TT also to go with the Tascam. The USB method may be the cheapest, but likely not the best sounding. Though I can't say that with certainty since I have never used a USB TT.

If you have a TT, you could always buy a soundcard that digitizes analog signals and plug the outputs of your TT into the inputs of the soundcard, using software to record the input. A lot of people do that, who have monetary constraints.

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If money isn't an issue I would get the Tascam DV-RA1000HD

I looked at this unit it's very impressive (and expensive). However how would this work with a turntable?

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A USB turntable may not be so great on your vinyl if you plan to ever use the records again

what do you mean by "not so great [on] your vinyl"? You mean not the best, or cleanest, conversion?
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I looked at this unit it's very impressive (and expensive). However how would this work with a turntable?

You plug the analog outputs of the phonostage into the unit and you program the unit to record according to parameters that will work best for your setup.

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what do you mean by "not so great [on] your vinyl"? You mean not the best, or cleanest, conversion?

I would be worried about the quality of the setup and how well you can fine tune it so it doesn't harm the vinyl while playing it. This would likewise effect the cleanness of the conversion I would imagine as well.

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You plug the analog outputs of the phonostage into the unit and you program the unit to record according to parameters that will work best for your setup..

I see, you can adjust levels for each track to be recorded.

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I would be worried about the quality of the setup and how well you can fine tune it so it doesn't harm the vinyl while playing it. This would likewise effect the cleanness of the conversion I would imagine as well.

what I don't understand is why, or what, would "harm" the vinyl?

appreciate your input..........
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what I don't understand is why, or what, would "harm" the vinyl?

appreciate your input..........

A lack of adjustable tracking and an inability to set proper alignment, both will wear away at vinyl quicker and in an unbalanced manner. I'm not certain of this, but I'm sure a badly designed needle could wear more on the vinyl as well, especially in combination with the rest of those issues.

It also might not have great audio measurements (i.e. FR characteristics and signal to noise ratio).

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A lack of adjustable tracking and an inability to set proper alignment, both will wear away at vinyl quicker and in an unbalanced manner. I'm not certain of this, but I'm sure a badly designed needle could wear more on the vinyl as well, especially in combination with the rest of those issues.

I see. But are'nt there high-end as well as mediocre examples of USB turntable models, and related accessories (tone-arms, cartridges, needles, etc.,..) available?
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I see. But are'nt there high-end as well as mediocre examples of USB turntable models, and related accessories (tone-arms, cartridges, needles, etc.,..) available?

Not that I am aware of, but that doesn't mean much. I haven't looked into it too much. The ones I saw didn't look so hot.

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Hello The Furutech / ADL GT-40 is such a device. It has a decent quality MM phono stage and a built in ADC that can handle up to 24-bit/96kHz resolution. Avoid the cheapo usb turntables at all costs. They are terrible sounding. Any average quality cd player will smoke a $300.00 USB turntable. I'm currently archiving vinyl on the extreme end of the spectrum using a Basis 2800 Signature vacuum w/Vector-3 tonearm and a Dynavector XV-1S low output mc cartridge. I'm using a modified Cary PH-302 mc phono stage and digitizing with a Korg MR1000 in DSD at 1-bit/5.6MHz. As previously stated, this is an extreme method of archiving vinyl, however the sound quality is simply mind blowing. In a real world situation, I think the GT-40 used with a Rega or Project Turntable would sound beautiful when archiving your vinyl to digital.

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I'm using a modified Cary PH-302 mc phono stage and digitizing with a Korg MR1000 in DSD at 1-bit/5.6MHz. As previously stated, this is an extreme method of archiving vinyl, however the sound quality is simply mind blowing.

For comparison, has anyone tried DSDIFF recording from analog inputs on a Tascam DV-RA1000HD?

It just so happens that I'm looking for mind-blowing sound quality too. I am kind of stuck trying to decide between the newer Korg model MR2000S-BK and the Tascam DV-RA1000HD. One use for me will be to digitize my vinyl library then tinker sparingly with clean-up pop/click removing software.

The Tascam is less expensive. It is also an older model than the Korg. I can't figure out from the Tascam's online manual whether or not it can record analog inputs to DSDIFF on its hard drive. It has restrictions on DSDIFF recording and DSD disk creation. The Korg however appears to be very simple to use for DSD file recording from analog. (I have a portable 1-bit Korg recorder, and it's a breeze.)

It MAY BE that the Tascam handles analog inputs recorded to DSD files on the hard drive simply, too - but the manual and specs are confusing. Anyone with experience available to comment?

The Tascam manual: http://tascam.com/content/downloads/products/79/DV-RA1000HD_E_web.pdf
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It just so happens that I'm looking for mind-blowing sound quality too. I am kind of stuck trying to decide between the newer Korg model MR2000S-BK and the Tascam DV-RA1000HD. One use for me will be to digitize my vinyl library then tinker sparingly with clean-up pop/click removing software.

You are probably barking up the wrong tree. A good digital recorder, even just one doing a clean job of 44/16 can and has produced mind-blowing results.

The far more important issues are:

(1) The SQ of the original performance
(2) The skill of the recordist.
(3) The choice of microphones.

Note that anything dealing only with hardware is third on the list. Microphone quality are far more important than the recorder's basic digital quality. But the guy choosing and positioning them trumps it all.

Tell me about the 100s of really good sounding recordings that you have already made, and then you can start thinking about doing work that is "mind blowing".
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