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What about these 'new' drivers?

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This are the drivers from your DTS-10?

If so do you have the proper Hpass in place? Is this your second pair of woofers or who are these from?

I know DSL uses custom drivers in their cabinet so regular ones wont work. LMSR 12's do work in the DTS 10 though if you need replacements.
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Have you damaged drivers in the cabinet before?
How much power are you using?
Are you sure all hatches and drivers are sealed when closed up?
Have EQ filters in place? what are they? Danley recommended ones to start with?
Which year cabinet do you own? Some earlier ones barely had enough clearance for the excursion of the surround. This can be remedied by just doubling the gasket to the face of the driver that's mounted facing inward.
It's always hard to tell by photos but many things can be at play together. If there's an air leak or one driver causes one the other will follow. The horn relies on a sealed system to work efficiently and apply full power. If not drivers will fail and yes the surround is the weakest part being foam.



Actually the LMSR isn't the only thing after sliced bread. The lab12C works as a replacement but can't handle as much wattage. DSL have replacements available that are OE; yes slightly different parameters and larger vented 3" coils. The Alpine Type R; SWR-12D4/2 also works and has more robust parts.
Just got an email from Parts Express about these from Eminence, would they be suitable? http://www.parts-express.com/eminenc...gn=email080414

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Just got an email from Parts Express about these from Eminence, would they be suitable? http://www.parts-express.com/eminenc...gn=email080414
One look at the Xmax should give you the answer. (Hint: No!)
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One look at the Xmax should give you the answer. (Hint: No!)


Hmmm, didn't look at that, what is the Xmax of the supplied drivers?


(need to clear so space and build mine... )

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Just got an email from Parts Express about these from Eminence, would they be suitable? http://www.parts-express.com/eminenc...gn=email080414
No i'd say those aren't suitable at all. No real xmax and freq response is too high.

The lab12c is real close to the Danley OE drivers. Ran them in one of my cabs for about 35 days.

http://www.parts-express.com/eminenc...4-ohm--290-668

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No i'd say those aren't suitable at all. No real xmax and freq response is too high.

The lab12c is real close to the Danley OE drivers. Ran them in one of my cabs for about 35 days.

http://www.parts-express.com/eminenc...4-ohm--290-668

Interesting how much smaller the Voice Coil is 2.5" versus 4"


Only 35 days and then what...

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Interesting how much smaller the Voice Coil is 2.5" versus 4"


Only 35 days and then what...

Voice coil difference matters little depending on engineering. The Danley DTS10 driver has a 3". The alpine SWR 12 has a 2.5" but it's flat wound aluminum and forced venting handles as much as most copper wound 3" coils.

After 35 days or so I tried the alpines(borrowed), then after a couple days I put back the Danley OEM drivers. I wanted to measure but honestly lots of other projects got in the way. Sorry no data for you guys. If the alpine drivers last for reliability I'd say they are the best bang for the buck. Reason I question reliability is some mixed reviews on them. My guess is they are priced to sell and get abused so hard in car audio things happen. Some I'd chalk up to improper setups of cabinet and power expectations. Very well engineered motor venting.

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I put the LMSR-12 in my 3 dts-10's and they sound 3 x as good now.
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I put the LMSR-12 in my 3 dts-10's and they sound 3 x as good now.
The alpine have the advantage over the lms-r up to 120db....more area under the curve in the lowest freqs. 32mm one way just like the lms-r for a fraction of $, and honestly more motor tech.

I honestly plan to use these if the factory drivers die, or next upgrade itch.
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This thread has the most views of any thread in the history of this forum... I just realized that.

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And you made me look too!


One day hopefully soon I will build the 2 kits I have...

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I wish I could find a kit for sale...
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I wish I could find a kit for sale...

A few years back when I was looking (just before the last Danley sale), I found a couple on places like Craig's list, but some were more then the kit sold for and others were so far away that it would have been a night mare to get them.


In the end a group buy from Danley came about, still shipping to my location was about $750.


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Can someone tell me which driver has been found to be the best replacement for the original that came with the DTS-10? I know it is probably posted here somewhere but I might be dead before I find it. Thanks for any info.
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Can someone tell me which driver has been found to be the best replacement for the original that came with the DTS-10? I know it is probably posted here somewhere but I might be dead before I find it. Thanks for any info.
As stated above, it is the TC Sounds LMS-R. However, I am not sure they are available at the moment.

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As stated above, it is the TC Sounds LMS-R. However, I am not sure they are available at the moment.
If I cant get the LMS then how about the Alpine that has been mentioned?
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If I cant get the LMS then how about the Alpine that has been mentioned?
I guess it depends on what your goal(s) are. If you want an upgrade, the LMS is the way to go. It has been documented and tested.

If you just need a replacement driver and don't want to pay Danley prices, the Alpine might work but I am not aware of any testing with it.

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I guess it depends on what your goal(s) are. If you want an upgrade, the LMS is the way to go. It has been documented and tested.

If you just need a replacement driver and don't want to pay Danley prices, the Alpine might work but I am not aware of any testing with it.
Great, Thanks for the info. Right now my DTS is working fine. I just wanted to know what driver I should use if I need a replacement in the future. I would really just want something that would work as well as the original without paying what the Danley replacement would be like you said. I think the Alpine would be my answer in that case. Now I just need to find out exactly which model Alpine that would be and see what the cost is. If it is reasonable I might get one for a spare just in case.
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A few years back when I was looking (just before the last Danley sale), I found a couple on places like Craig's list, but some were more then the kit sold for and others were so far away that it would have been a night mare to get them.


In the end a group buy from Danley came about, still shipping to my location was about $750.


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I wonder if they will ever offer them again
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I wonder if they will ever offer them again
I don't know, but having had a DTS and a LOWARHORN, I would definitely prefer the latter which can be build for about the same price or even less depending on driver choice. ...and with lower THD, more output, better form factor (IMO).

The only real advantage is quick assembly with the CNC panels on the DTS.
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I wonder if they will ever offer them again

Not sure, have tied searching places like Craig's List and other local Used sales forums?

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I don't know, but having had a DTS and a LOWARHORN, I would definitely prefer the latter which can be build for about the same price or even less depending on driver choice. ...and with lower THD, more output, better form factor (IMO).

The only real advantage is quick assembly with the CNC panels on the DTS.

Out of curiosity I will have to look at the "LOWARHORN", the other unit I actually have plans for is the LABhorn ( IIRC also a Danley design), it uses a more generic Eminence driver and does a good job for most. In the end as mentioned the group buy came back and I took the plunge. http://www.prosoundweb.com/article/l...pecs_and_more/

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Not sure, have tied searching places like Craig's List and other local Used sales forums?




Out of curiosity I will have to look at the "LOWARHORN", the other unit I actually have plans for is the LABhorn ( IIRC also a Danley design), it uses a more generic Eminence driver and does a good job for most. In the end as mentioned the group buy came back and I took the plunge. http://www.prosoundweb.com/article/l...pecs_and_more/
I doubt I would ever find Danley stuff let alone the sub I want on CL. Maybe its more common in the state they are produced in or something. I barley find Danley stuff on Ebay. But it would need to be local as shipping on the thing would be nuts I expect.
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Not sure, have tied searching places like Craig's List and other local Used sales forums?




Out of curiosity I will have to look at the "LOWARHORN", the other unit I actually have plans for is the LABhorn ( IIRC also a Danley design), it uses a more generic Eminence driver and does a good job for most. In the end as mentioned the group buy came back and I took the plunge. http://www.prosoundweb.com/article/l...pecs_and_more/
If you use the UXL driver at ~$540 (or even less if you can find them in the classifieds under $400) and a couple hundred dollars in wood, you have something that easily trumps the DTS-10 for $600-$800. You even have the option of the two footprints: GJALLARHORN/LOWARHORN

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Easily trumps? I don't think so, above 20hz yes, not below. If you put those beefy cheap alpine drivers in as replacements the DTS-10 alpine would most likely beat the GH below 16hz and come much closer above. Of course for all the trouble of finding a DTS-10 and modifying it I would just build the GH. Waiting for the drivers is another matter, you might find a DTS-10 by then!

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I've not heard the LMS-R, but had the Alpine TypeR's a short bit. They were awesome. From my notes LilMike PM'd that the Alpine's KILL the LMS-R up to 120db, then the LMS have an advantage. I"ve also had a couple LAB12c's and they were fine, but just didn't handle the same power at the same volume with certain movies. Other than that they sounded just the same. A quick sweep with REW and the graph looked the same. Not played with anything else since. Still have all stock Danley drivers right now. Plan to upgrade to the Alpines if need replacements.

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... the Alpine's KILL the LMS-R up to 120db, then the LMS have an advantage.
Kill how?

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Probably smooth or as good for way less $ is what he meant.
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