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post #181 of 10055 Old 10-23-2009, 04:42 AM
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I would need 4 to keep the same output that I have now. I hit 130 db's at the seats(13 feet away). Fitting them will be the problem. My speakers take up lots of space. Maybe I could put 2 in each front corner with one behind the other? These need 1000 watts each? At what impedance?

Bro, my calculations indicate about 2 to easily hang with your 8x18 ED sealed....(or 1 for 4x18) even then there are some regions which the TH would pull ahead slightly. Its 2kW "program" 1kW RMS.

With 4 you are comfortably past 150 at the subs "1m".

Check out Tom's indoor big 80x20' warehouse measurement
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attac...9&d=1256237893

Outdoors 1m 2.83v
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attac...9&d=1256050478

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Just wondering why more people don't build th-spud's off of the leaked designs floating around.. Thanks!

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This was left out of the kit version-because it would add additional cost. But it could easily be added if somebody wanted to.

That way y ou could lay it on the floor and put your couch/recliner etc on top of it and have the sound dome out along the floor.

I would love to have a "stage box" that is 16" high, 60" long, 44" deep!!

I have 4 12" cheap woofers laying around that I was going to use for a tapped horn design at some point but this would be far superior.

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Bro, my calculations indicate about 2 to easily hang with your 8x18 ED sealed....(or 1 for 4x18) even then there are some regions which the TH would pull ahead slightly. Its 2kW "program" 1kW RMS.

With 4 you are comfortably past 150 at the subs "1m".

Check out Tom's indoor big 80x20' warehouse measurement
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attac...9&d=1256237893

Outdoors 1m 2.83v
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attac...9&d=1256050478

Impedance
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attac...3&d=1256129925

I don't mind having only 2 subs if it gives me the same response in room with better sound quality.
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I will let you know what I think of it when I get it put together. I'm waiting for it on the edge of my seat. I know how their stuff performs and I got a feeling I'm going to have to secure stuff more firmly to the walls in the house.
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I really like that fact Tom and his company are going to put out something like this. Not that I will be buying any since I just put in new subs, but having this option for a future HT sounds really good.

The only thing a design like this makes me think about is the old thread about out subbing your mains. I wonder how many folks are going to be in that group

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I really like that fact Tom and his company are going to put out something like this. Not that I will be buying any since I just put in new subs, but having this option for a future HT sounds really good.

The only thing a design like this makes me think about is the old thread about out subbing your mains. I wonder how many folks are going to be in that group

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I agree. There are just a few on here that have mains that can keep up with this sub.
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I agree. There are just a few on here that have mains that can keep up with this sub.

Overkill is the name of the game in this forum. Besides you can always turn it down.
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Everyone knows you calibrate everything to play nice together. What you need are speakers that will play just as effortless with no compression, low distortion, detailed, and dynamic as the sub system. That should be covered already, I just want to make sure 2 will be enough.
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Everyone knows you calibrate everything to play nice together. What you need are speakers that will play just as effortless with no compression, low distortion, detailed, and dynamic as the sub system. That should be covered already, I just want to make sure 2 will be enough.


MKT, you should spend some money on an accurate measurement microphone before you buy any new speakers. Bosso can give you some information on what is a good and accurate microphone.
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I really don't think that is necessary. It sounds great and if I can get better sound with the same spl and visceral effects I am there.
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Everyone knows you calibrate everything to play nice together. What you need are speakers that will play just as effortless with no compression, low distortion, detailed, and dynamic as the sub system. That should be covered already, I just want to make sure 2 will be enough.

MK,

I agree with your statement but how many folks do you think they have speakers like you describe?

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Not enough. I always thought I had it until I actually experienced it, huge difference. People do what they can.
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MK,

I agree. I am not in any way trying to put down other folks speakers (heck mine might now even be able to keep up with this sub). Just thinking out loud that people who get this (or any other killer sub) should also think of looking at getting speakers that sound really good and can put out the goods. Many DIY types of speakers like that over at HTguide.

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I will be looking for new speakers. I know from experience that all danley products outrun my little bookshelves. I may try to head down to their factory at some point to have a listen to their stuff. Either that or I need to start looking at big diy projects.
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Unfortunately for us folks, this is that happens. New toy is fantastic, now if I had that toy it would make my first toy even better. Once we have the second toy, we need another one to match the first two.

My wife always tells me I sound like Charlie Browns parents when I try to explain why I need the new toy to go with the last new toy.

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The difference is dynamics and clarity. Many speakers have dynamics but lack clarity(or they sound too bright) and many speakers have clarity without the dynamics. Most people won't even realize it. I will eventually have an all Danley theater, but in the meantime the JBL's rock.
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As far as mains keeping up...

I've been running my Polk Audio Signature Reference Theater (SRT) series, but only at about 150-200 watts and that's pretty loud in my theater. They have a recommended power of 1000 watts each (LCR), so I may have to up the wattage to them.

Still finishing the damn basement! If I could get this done then I could move on to NeoDan's design for my 2 EV's! Then on to one of these!!!


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Bro, my calculations indicate about 2 to easily hang with your 8x18 ED sealed....(or 1 for 4x18) even then there are some regions which the TH would pull ahead slightly. Its 2kW "program" 1kW RMS.

With 4 you are comfortably past 150 at the subs "1m".

Can you share those calculations?

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Can you share those calculations?

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Hmmm, 1 dts10 + 1 dts10 = 8 ED sealed sonosubs


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Overkill is the name of the game in this forum. Besides you can always turn it down.

That's like driving a 911 and never getting out of third gear.
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That's like driving a 911 and never getting out of third gear.

Not really; more like having one and using it at normal speeds then being able to wind it up every so often, which you can't do with the average family sedan.
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I really don't think that is necessary. It sounds great and if I can get better sound with the same spl and visceral effects I am there.


When you use bass management, it sounds different than what is heard on a soundmix stage. FilmMixer has described & showed [pctures the soundstage setup that he works on.

Quote on the use of bass mangement:

"The other things that happens, because all of that information then comes from the sub in a bass managed HT setup, there is a greater interaction in the low end that tends to sound a little muddier, bloated and not as tight.."



http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post17400950
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"The only thing a design like this makes me think about is the old thread about out subbing your mains."

Yes, the DTS-10 is just a shrewd ploy to sell more of their other speakers

Hey Tom, I forgot to thank you for that great explanation of acoustic levitation - fascinating!

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Not really; more like having one and using it at normal speeds then being able to wind it up every so often, which you can't do with the average family sedan.

I was talking about keeping it turned down all the time because your mains can't keep up. In other words only using half of it's capability.
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I have tried both and it sounds better with bass management to me now with the subs turned down. If there is a scene with 10 hz coming from the center channel I will feel it with bass management and feel nothing with full range, to me that makes a big difference. You will never notice it without capable subs.
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I would gladly pay you Tuesday for a Super Spud today

My wallet told me to type that. I didn't think it was possible to drool over a subwoofer as much as I am right now. Wish I had the money
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I was talking about keeping it turned down all the time because your mains can't keep up. In other words only using half of it's capability.

Gotcha.
I've had a couple of non audio people see the protos of the speakers I'm building, and typically comment on how 'loud' they must be, simply because of the size, whereas they are built for the dynamic capability and headroom. This is more what I was thinking in response to your earlier post. Plus it was early, after a big night out.
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Gotcha.
I've had a couple of non audio people see the protos of the speakers I'm building, and typically comment on how 'loud' they must be, simply because of the size, whereas they are built for the dynamic capability and headroom. This is more what I was thinking in response to your earlier post. Plus it was early, after a big night out.

No problem. Do you have a link to a speaker build?
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