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I've had on my eye on the sierra 1's for a couple weeks till i stumbled upon the diy section. is there anything i can piece together with woofers and crossover from madisound or parts express that will perform better than the sierra 1's for 900? that's about how much they would cost shipped to me.



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edit..wanted to note that i live in an apartment so putting together a cabinet would be almost impossible...so cabinet is added into the budget.
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I had the same issue as you. I was recomended the Zaph Audio SR71 kit which is just over $300 per pair (boxes are separate). They have quality Seas drivers just like the Sierra-1 speakers do.

I went with the Sierra-1 since I found a great deal on some used L/R/C. I enjoy the quality/sound of the Sierra's, they are great speakers for the money. I'm sure either set-up is a great choice.
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kit looks good

anyone else?
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edit..wanted to note that i live in an apartment so putting together a cabinet would be almost impossible...so cabinet is added into the budget.

Nik Brewer over on the parts express boards will custom build any speaker box and finish it with nice veneer.

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The Skiing Ninja offers DIY speaker building and he offers the GR Research Neo 2X speaker as a fully built option. I think he can also build other GR-Research speakers. There are others on the GR-Research forum that also build speakers for customers.
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how are the neo's compared to the sierra's?
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I'm not sure, but you can get a demo pair of the Neo 2x to listen to.
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Sorry! I didnt see the link you posted for AudioCircle, although It is a phenominal speaker and will compare to speakers many times it's cost! This is Seans reference speaker, though keep in mind it has all the upgraded crossover components including the platnium by-pass caps! Danny recommended the N3 speaker for me since I need it for a larger area. It is the floorstanding version of the N2 or N2x and according to Danny competes with many cost no object speakers! The Neo3 is such and amazing tweet for its cost. One of his other designs, the O3 utilizes the same tweeter, but has the woofers facing upward on the top of the speaker and projects a very 3 dimensional sound. I have never heard it, but many people who were at the Rocky Mountain Audio Festival said it was one of the best sounding speakers playing regardless of price.
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In the small bookshelf category, hands down the best IMO is Jon Marsh's Modula XE. That tweeter is just excellent, and with a waveguide to smooth power response and enable LR2 slopes (my favorite when you can pull it off) make it a no brainer. I'm going to build a pair myself.
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Yes, that's another great design and he is a talented designer, certainly isn't for a begining DIY as waveguides and routing somewhat difficult. The quality drivers are top notch! I'd like to see something with the Raal Tweeter. However the point is anyone is going to get much better performance out of these compared to brick and mortar stores or Internet direct companies. In most cases many of these DIY designs compare to 5x that of retail store brands!
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I've had on my eye on the sierra 1's for a couple weeks till i stumbled upon the diy section. is there anything i can piece together with woofers and crossover from madisound or parts express that will perform better than the sierra 1's for 900? that's about how much they would cost shipped to me.

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edit..wanted to note that i live in an apartment so putting together a cabinet would be almost impossible...so cabinet is added into the budget.

Funny I have the Sierras and purchased 2 kits to see how they will compare.. If you can wait a few weeks I'll probably have a direct comparison

Plus points for Sierras:
1) Finish. That stained bamboo cabinet is gorgeous, and that glossy finish is fantastic (I have piano black).
2) Bamboo cabinet. A better cabinet you will not find, Dave measured the resonance of bamboo and found it would take >2 inch MDF to equal 3/4 inch bamboo...
3) Variable slope crossover, top notch design, good drivers.

Really great speaker. Not the best, but for 1000$ I honestly think you can't do better in B&M and ID.

DIY though, for close to or the price of the full Sierras you could purchase drivers. Then add a couple hundreds for the rest of the speakers. In that case, imho, driver quality you'll get a bit of an edge over the Sierra. (and you damn well should!!!).

That opens you up to speakers like:
http://zaphaudio.com/ZD5.html
http://zaphaudio.com/ZRT.html
http://speakerdesignworks.com/Statements_Monitor.html

So these are definitely interesting alternatives, and should, I believe, give you a little bit more SQ over Sierras. Although, I'm really curious to how much and so am building the Statement monitors to find out

But if you have to buy a built cabinet, that usually eats up quite a bit of the savings of DIY, and I don't know if that even comes out to a big difference vs ID. Take SR71, 309$ drivers+crossovers, vs 594$ with cabs (though u do get a bunch of other extra stuff)... I'd be curious to see how good they'd fare vs Sierras...
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I recommend the Modula MTM.
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of the bunch, i find the modula xe and the mini statement to most intriguing. ob + ribbons. Hmmm. although waveguide are suppose to have better volume. hard to debate which to build. waveguide are hard to build though.
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waveguide are hard to build though.

Why do you say that? They seem to be the easiest builds to me so far.

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Why do you say that? They seem to be the easiest builds to me so far.

it easy for a guy who has build so many amazing looking speaker. But for a nob like me it only adds another dimention to a build.
http://www.htguide.com/forum/showthread.php4?t=36733
not my build, but i want to do something similiar to his.
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ah, cutting out your own waveguide...yeah, that is harder. I couldnt do it either, I know someone on HTguide.com created a thread explaining how to build a tool to do it. I PMed him twice to ask him to build me one but zero replies (How Rude )

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I would also look at Danny Richie's V2, this is about as full range as a speaker gets and for the low price it's performance is said to equal the Orion speaker. Yes the one to such all others are measured, except you don't need a million amps and a bank account the size of Fort Knox to run it! Design can be found on the gr-research section of the AudioCircle forums, I don't think Danny has listed this build on the GR-Research site as of yet?
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link please?

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I recently built the dayton UA721 speakers for my front LCR and would
feel comfortable recomending them.They use Usher drivers and are designed
by a reputable engineer.You can call them DIY but the assembly was so simple I can't imagine speaker building being any easier.Mine are the curved
cherry cabinets on th L and R.The center is piano black and they look great.
IMHO they sound great for music and HT but admittedly pricier than some
DIY speakers.
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