Originally Posted by Erich H
Because some people want their speakers to have a B&C woofer. That might cost $100 more than an Eminence. But could they hear the difference? As mentioned, there's no guarantee they could. So the cheaper model might sound the same to them.
It's not the easiest thing to explain when people are used to seeing companies charge $10k for a speaker using $800 worth of parts. I'm just saying that the speaker lines aren't actually divided up by which ones I think sound better, or which ones you think sound better. Big companies might use cheaper parts and sell a speaker for a huge mark up to make money. But that's not what we're doing here so there's really no other way to break up the DIY speaker lines for except for cost. All the speakers are good, but because they're priced strictly based on how much the parts cost, the cheaper one goes in the Karma Line, mid priced is Fusion, high priced is Alpha. I don't know another way to do it.
But keep in mind, when the designer is planning a Karma speaker, we aren't going to be looking at B&C or expensive drivers. There is a goal set to keep the pricing low for that line. I also bug them to try and use less crossover parts to still get great sound. I truly believe the Karma Line is actually harder to do because of that.
Fusion line uses slightly more expensive parts, slightly more expensive crossover to get things flatter if needed, but still trying to keep the crossover fairly easy to assemble.
Alpha Line uses the more expensive stuff, any number of crossover components, etc.
Having said all of that.....because the Karma Line was causing people to lose sleep the last time they were up, there are different plans for them. It was mentioned a few pages ago. I just wanted to put them up in case anyone was waiting on them. They will always cause confusion when listed next to the Fusions. That's why I originally took them off the site.
Ya that is confusing lol.
Originally Posted by tuxedocivic
I didn't label my measurements because I am dumb, so I can't find my Fusion Pure measurement. But that's ok because I have it hooked up as I've been tinkering with it anyways. I was planning on getting better measurements with some more details. I only had an on axis measurement. I'll post them here for people wondering about the Fusion vs Karma 10. I think you'll find the Fusion 10 is a little flatter and has a couple more db sensitivity. But costs more. I'll get some photos while I'm at it. Although mine is a woofer box with the waveguide mounted on top. Not quite what Erich's baffle will be.
The Fusion 10 should be a better timbre match. The karma 10 would save you some dough though.
But after reading both these posts I think it's just that when someone asks "What's the difference between the Karma-10 and the Fusion-10?" We get a long and confusing post with a ton of graphs and really longwinded talk. For a person who is browsing the site and coming in to figure out the "basic difference" it's very confusing.
To paraphrase it all:
The difference between the Fusion-10 and the Karma-10 (And the Fusion/Karma lines in general) is:
Karma Line: Uses the bear minimum to get the greatest bang for your buck. Crossover is meant to be as simple and easy to assemble as possible.
Fusion Line: Slightly more expensive parts and crossover to get a flat response and more sensitivity.
Alpha Line: Designers are free to choose what they want to get the job done (within reason obviously)
I know it's extremely simplistic and basically is just what both of you have posted but this question comes up a lot on here (What the difference between the lines are) and it's been answered by you so many times that it probably should just be put on the FAQ at this point. Anyone who wants a more detailed explanation can then come here but usually the difference between two speakers gets into a more technical debate (which is great here) but the person probably was just looking for something simplistic and that simplistic answer just gets lost under a sea of information.
I don't think the difference between the Karma/Fusion line is confusing to anyone other than to noobs (like myself) who are trying to find an answer they can understand quickly lol. I'm a firm believer in choices and if you're able to manage having both lines up, it's definitely worth it. I'd just take what was written here and just reorganize it and put it in the FAQ so people who just want the basic differences between the speaker lines will understand it. Reading the posts over a couple of times it makes sense to me now but it's just finding the concise mix of words to explain it quickly so the same situation doesn't always have to occur.