As an outsider/newcomer looking in *and* a colossal cheapskate, I really don't get what the fuss and confusion is about. Karma = price is considered, strongly, in the design, but the results are excellent; Fusion = price is less important, but big-money parts/upgrades/"upgrades"/brands are avoided, but the results are excellent; Alpha = spare no expense, even possibly spending money on things most people won't be able to hear, but the results are excellent. Pick the size you need, or spend the money you want, or work out your own solution balancing the two.
I think there'd actually be less confusion if there were an option for each line at each size, but I don't think that's fair to ask -- that's a lot of stock! Maybe post public parts lists and XOs for any size that DIYSG doesn't want to stock, in a "if we were to have a Karma-6 (say), we'd do this..." and refer people to PE or elsewhere, but at least that way people could see the differences / tradeoffs and decide for themselves?
I still think the Karmas should come without a baffle, in a "cut your own hole for the woofer; mount the horn on top" elegant simplicity, lower cost, and lower shipping cost, and as another differentiation from the other lines, but perhaps I have weird taste.
That said, there's always going to be a bit of confusion, at least from we clueless newbs, when a Karma speaker is more expensive than a Fusion speaker, 'cuz it takes us a few lumps with a cluebat to get that a good woofer going into, say, a 6" design will just be cheaper than an 10" design. I can totally imagine DIYSG/this board wanting to take down the options thanks to fatiguing of the "but is the cheaper Fusion 6 better than the Karma 10?!"-type questions, though I think that would be a loss. : (
As for cheapskatery, I may be the only one (it seems audio weeds out the weak?), but budget and cost are important to me. I was waiting with 'bated breath for the K10, and was a little disappointed to see the price tag. I was hoping for < $150/each... and, yeah, that $60/pair is real money for some people. It's not the difference between making rent or not, perhaps, but it's not $0. There's a big difference between spending $100/each vs. $200/each vs. $300, vs $400 -- *especially* when you need two or more. But, maybe there's just not enough demand from people like me?
Anyone want to design something *super* cheap, like, say $20 DNA-150, 12" WG and four well-reviewed $5 6.5"ers
? I told you I was cheap... I guy can hope, can't he? ; )
(While I'm dreaming, is there any chance a Fusion-4 (not F4Q4) could be done for things like boomboxes, surrounds in small rooms, maybe PC (and maybe car?) speakers? Or is that yet another stupid idea from a newb?)
Yeah, yeah, just go grab the K10s while they're up... I might just have to do that....
Thanks to all for the hard work of designing, creating, stocking, shipping, answering dumb newb questions, all of it! It is not unappreciated, and I'm getting tired just sitting here thinking of all that goes in to it!
To excellent speakers! Cheers!