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post #10741 of 10763 Old 07-20-2014, 09:35 PM
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This is a great point. My speakers are 99 db/W, so I know they are probably fine running off my x4000, but I start to feel like having some extra watts would be beneficial when EQing. I'd like to EQ a bit because I feel like I could be getting more from my mains in the midbass area (JBL 3677's). When you talk about "boosting the lower end a few notches up", I am assuming you are talking about boosting more that just the sub trims? If I crossover at 80, boosting the sub trims is only going to affect 80 and below. If I want to boost anything higher than 80, in the "midbass" region, I would need to do that with separate, external EQ (iNuke DSP, miniDSP, etc.) correct? Audyssey is not going to allow me to do that. In addition, as I start to boost certain frequencies by even a few dB, my power requirements could DOUBLE or more. Am I thinking about this correctly? If I do add external amplification, I could keep Audyssey engaged, since I like the way it sounds and actually does a pretty good job of integrating my horn sub with my ported sub, and just add a few dB to certain frequencies to integrate a little more pronounced house curve? I remember seeing Carp post some preset house curves in his iNuke DSP that looked pretty awesome.
You are right. Eq does chew up amp power but not nearly as much in frequencies above 80 hz as compared to 20 hz. I use the peq in my emotiva to create the sound I want. I boost around 100 hz , cut a bit here, boost there. It takes awhile to get it dialed in to exactly what you want.

You want to have 4-6 songs that cover all the sounds you need. Vocals,instruments, and you need to know those songs well. It took me about two weeks of tweaking to find exactly what I want.
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It took me about two weeks of tweaking to find exactly what I want.

And then you went to a GTG and realized they didn't sound nearly as good as some 1099's and realized you needed to start all over again!...lol

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And then you went to a GTG and realized they didn't sound nearly as good as some 1099's and realized you needed to start all over again!...lol
yup. everyone should hear great sub's and mains. it puts things in perspective. I am suffering with mine tonight
actually there not that bad. I'll give them to my brother when I upgrade.
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That'll be a nice little gift Donny!
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That'll be a nice little gift Donny!
Yeah your right, too nice for him. I'll bring them to my computer lab and bolt them down with Allen bolts. Buy one of those little cheap amps from pe. That is if I ever work again
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Erich,
Any chance that someone could do a batch of assembled crossovers for the 1099 ? Even if you need to charge 30-40 bucks I think there will be a demand for them. I know I would buy 3
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I wouldn't have time to assemble any right now. But there are some forum members that probably could help you out.
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Erich,
Any chance that someone could do a batch of assembled crossovers for the 1099 ? Even if you need to charge 30-40 bucks I think there will be a demand for them. I know I would buy 3
Now, that would be fantastic!!!.
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Now, that would be fantastic!!!.
I know Matt, Erich, and Ryan have lots on there plate. I wonder if someone else could do it and make a little cash on the side. Someone close to Erich so shipping is easy. That way we won't all be bugging Ryan with PMS.
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Donny I could do yours. I'm doing ST's center channel. Anyone who wants to pay the shipping I can do.
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Ryan with PMS.

Ryan has PMS? Sorry to hear about that Ryan!....lol

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Donny I could do yours. I'm doing ST's center channel. Anyone who wants to pay the shipping I can do.
Yeah I plan on sending them to you. I just don't want to see someone not get them because there scared of xo. I bought a lotto ticket , do if I win I'll be over to start chaluga speakers with my 500000 startup
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I'm pulling for you!!!
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I have not seen the crossover design for the 1099, is it more complicated that some of the other designs (like a tempest) ?

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I believe it's in the first post of the 1099 thread, right?

Dude, are you made of leprechauns? Cause that was awesome!

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I believe it's in the first post of the 1099 thread, right?
I have not looked at that in quite some time. Thanks.

Edit: That looks doable. I'd probably want to post a pic for insurance and build in a fashion Tux could tell what I was doing to advise but assuming this I'd be comfortable giving it a shot.

I wired my dual woofer MTM Nexus that MTG designed up wrong, after I posted a pic of my xover too, but it was a simple reverse polarity on one woofer which created no bass. If you can measure them it it can validate they are right, if you can't then there might be value in having a pre built xover. The trouble is if Tux or Erich offers a xover they don't really charge for it much so the value is high for someone who is not comfortable. It's not like it's an extreme extra cost to take the safe road.

The DIY in me wants to DIY though; I like learning this stuff. I usually learn the most when I mess up too.

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It's more complicated than usual, mostly cause it's a 3-way.
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It's more complicated than usual, mostly cause it's a 3-way.
yeah I am looking now on my other monitor, it's trickier than the Fusion 8 I did. It looks like the Celestion Mids are wired out of phase ?

That's a bunch of solder too, I counted like 10 returns on the negative Investing in a block might make sense on that one.

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Building crossovers is easy if you start at the + side and work to the negative. Looking at the entire thing at once looks crazy hard, but in small pieces it really isn't difficult.

It is very rewarding building your own crossover. I am always available for questions and many others are too.

A soldering iron is cheap enough for anyone. YouTube can be helpful to actually see how easy it is to do.

I wired my crossovers on top so I could easily see all of my connections. Once installed you will never see it again so it didn't need to be gorgeous. I used very little extra wire, mostly component to component wiring. The only thing to watch for is the inductors and how the magnetic field of each could interact with another.
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How come external crossovers are not more popular ? Seems like easy access for tweaking.

It would be a cool way to do upgrades too. Imagine building a Fusion 12, but wire up each driver directly to the speaker binding posts on back of cab and the. Just buying the external external crossover and hooking it up. Then later adding a second 12 mid bass module as an add on to do dual 12". Or expanding to be a three way with second 12" and mids. An external crossover would allow you to just stack that second upgrade on top of the first and swap out crossovers. Some minor attention into the box design so the distances from the upgrade drivers to original might be needed up front though.

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Building crossovers is easy if you start at the + side and work to the negative. Looking at the entire thing at once looks crazy hard, but in small pieces it really isn't difficult.

It is very rewarding building your own crossover. I am always available for questions and many others are too.

A soldering iron is cheap enough for anyone. YouTube can be helpful to actually see how easy it is to do.

I wired my crossovers on top so I could easily see all of my connections. Once installed you will never see it again so it didn't need to be gorgeous. I used very little extra wire, mostly component to component wiring. The only thing to watch for is the inductors and how the magnetic field of each could interact with another.
Agreed, building crossovers are beyond easy - they're like grade 8 science easy. It's like a 14 piece jigsaw puzzle, but all the pieces have numbers and it tells you what numbers go beside each other.
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Agreed, building crossovers are beyond easy - they're like grade 8 science easy. It's like a 14 piece jigsaw puzzle, but all the pieces have numbers and it tells you what numbers go beside each other.
To you maybe. The second you put the Soldering Iron in my hand though it's all down hill from there.
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Soldering the wires is not too difficult.. Doing it with no mistakes is 50/50. I hate stress and hooking it up and not working would make me swear a few times. Some like puzzles , I hate them. Veneering is easy for me, hard for others.
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