Originally Posted by rhodesj
Erich is already selling kits at or below cost, thanks to him getting bulk pricing on components. Cheapskate or not, I'm not sure you can beat him on price or quality.
I have absolutely no doubt about the quality and value of DIYSG designs. None. Nothing but wonderful things to be read about DIYSG projects. In fact, I should just jump in the pool and buy F10s.
And that raises an excellent point: Why kit and ship anything that -isn't- fabulous? Even with a caveat of "[design] prioritizes final cost over ALL else," there would certainly be people buying, then complaining. Because people suck. There's a reason Tiffany's doesn't sell cubic zirconia.
But the F12, just as an example, is $700/pr
just for parts, using a $140 woofer and $80 CD. Is a passable 12" two-way not possible, say, with a $50 woofer and a $20-40 CD? The results would -certainly- not be comparable, but might still best anything you can buy in a store for $300/pr
? There's a -big- difference between $800/pr
... and if ya' think about 7.x.....
Or maybe that's just not possible?
Originally Posted by tuxedocivic
Tall freak, there has been designs done with some of the cheap waveguides and $50 woofers and stuff. Nobody is in to them.
Would that be known for sure? The enthusiasts will post about their awesome builds... but would the more modest not possibly just build on their own, without fanfare? I have to wonder how many SEOS12s PE would ship if there was a link to a < $150-200/each design right there on the product description page?
Of course, I can -certainly- see it being counterproductive to offer them as a time- and resource-consuming kit at DIYSG or elsewhere, with "well, it's just another [$x00] to get a 'better' product..." thinking among purchasers.
Maybe it is just me. I'll work to accept that. I'm weird. *I* can't get past thinking something like "$75 gets you a waveguide, CD and parts list to build a [$200 12-91, or $150 12" 2way, etc]" would be an easily-shipped, interesting offering. But I am cheap and like old, weird cars, older, weirder boats, and masochism.
I guess I'm just frustrated that the public designs I've found all seem to use NLA drivers (DNA-150s, say, which may or may not return for sale outside a kit (and almost certainly aren't worth dealing with individually for Mr. H); or the Cheap Thrills), or are outdated (Econowave's D220 has been surpassed, from what I read, as has its WG been improved upon by the SEOS 12), or defeat the frugality aspect with a numerous-part XO (e.g. Mr. Waslow's Dayton 12-based design available at the DIYSG forum is, I am sure, fantastic, and uses "only" a $75 woofer, but $50+ in XO parts and a $100 CD).
Honest question: Have a missed a public, "here's a screamin' cheap, simple, all-parts-readily-available way to get the intellectually and philosophically super-cool SEOS12 into your life" design?
Originally Posted by Erich H
I thought about doing a B-Stock kit.
I wouldn't presume to make demands, or even suggestions, but I know at least *I* am a little frustrated by the idea that you have B-stock that could turn into cash and go to a good home, but no (public) way to use it super-frugally.^ There may not be many of us, but am I really the only one who would jump on "$100 B-stock kit: B-stock waveguide, XO schematic, CD, enclosure dimensions; no baffle, no emails, no support, no free shipping"? At least it'd turn some inventory back into cash....
^ I may have bought a pair of B-stock SEOS12s feeling like it might help the cause (and 'cuz I wanted to see them in person, 'cuz they're cool!), that are now sitting elegantly on my desk waiting for something to be done with them at some point. ; )
Originally Posted by wvu80
You would have been a good candidate for the Cheap Thrills
Well aware! I may really be the -only- case of "just found this awesome forum about two weeks after the last woofer was sold." ; ) Somehow _just_ managed to miss that ride. And that's pro'ly why I am pining for something absurd. I'll go back to sitting on my hands and hoping for another sudden surprise knockout.
But, the popularity of the CT, along with the Econowaves, does kinda lend -some- support to the notion that there might be some interest in a -super- low-budget SEOS design... and wouldn't moving SEOS-12s via PE put some money in the DIYSG research coffers with zero effort?
Originally Posted by mobeer4don
Bull. They were just too cheap to pull the trigger and order them.
Then, of course, there's that. "Maybe if I wait, there'll be an even BETTER, CHEAPER thrill!" At least some of us are kindasorta self-aware. ; )
Fundamentally, and most importantly, though, many thanks to all who share their knowledge and effort, at any budget level! *No* criticism implied or intended!