Originally Posted by Erich H
One forum member suggested that you buy some and you said........
First- I was 100% sincere in my offer to try to help. I didn’t know the specifics, and I previously offered and you said you would give me the info. YOU NEVER DID. Then the topic came back up and I asked some specifics, because again I did not know them, but I imagined there is minimum order quantity. I honestly didn’t see a big deal putting $3500 on my credit card for a batch of compression drivers. I was thinking I could possibly do a batch of something that moves fast, like 360’s or 150’s and try to help out. And again, I did not know the specifics. And once again you said you would get me the info and you did not.
So when you posted all those different models and minimum order quantities it was pretty obvious to me it’s going to take a little more than just me and one batch- so I made the kick starter suggestion. I honestly thought it was a good idea, it seemed like it was an easy way to fix a little of the problem of the cash flow to get some of these things people want. I made the suggestion with good intentions and sincerity and I didn’t expect you to take a personal bias against me or try to make me look bad; whatever the reason you felt you needed to do that it wasn’t necessary. It’s the responses like that, that keep me from wanting to help and wishing I never offered. It’s seriously not worth it. I’m not sure if that was your intention all along, or just an unwanted side effect ? But it’s probably important that I explain this to you so you at least understand.
What upsets me is you never gave me the info or an opportunity to even try to help, but then go off on a tirade to smear and attack me trying to spin things around and say I’m backing out or whatever you are suggesting. I didn’t see anyone else step up and make that offer either. If a few guys each did a model the problem goes away, and you could even take half the shipment at a later date for kits or whatever and spread it around to make the volume distribution make more sense. But instead of trying to be serious about it, you act like you did. It wasn’t needed.
I waited some time to cool off before I replied because I didn’t want this to go too far in a negative direction. My first reaction was to blast you back, pointing out your lies and the problems I see, but it’s not going to help anyone and lucky for you I don’t really care enough to worry what some of the people might think. The majority of those people are just using you and DIY group for their own self interests and will always support whatever is in their favor, but my worry about what they think of me because of your lies is not a big concern. This is just the internet. The other guys that I might actually meet in real life and be friends with due to common interests, well I am assuming my relationship with them will be predicated on more than just they read online.
Originally Posted by Erich H
A Kick Starter with $10 added in on each one won't do what you think. 200 people order 200 DNA-360's. There's $2000 left in the pot afterwards.....but we have no more compression drivers.
How do the next 200 get ordered when there's only $2000 to do it? Another KickStarter? What about all those people that didn't get in on the first one? Do they have to wait 6-8 months?
What happened since then? Was it learning that things might be harder than you think? Or that you have to order 200, 300, 500 at a time?
As for the kickstarter- you comment also made no sense because you get the money back (the original money) as each unit sells. So you don’t just have $2000, if you added $20 to 100 units, you have all the money + $2000 more. A couple rounds and you solve the cash problem. Again, perhaps it was stupid for me to say but I thought it might be a good idea. I didn’t expect you to take the angle you did and come at me personally.
Originally Posted by Erich H
I'm betting you're going to get a lot of mad people asking why you aren't selling compression drivers on your site!
I think you should try to understand more what the complaints are regarding this. The problem is not that people expect you to automatically accommodate them, or they are angry when you can’t. No one expect you to put up your personal effort and money just for them. The problem is you don’t explain things very well and just blow them off, and the lack of communication and frustration of waiting gets to them. And it should. Poor Luke has been waiting 4 months for some compression drivers, if you couldn’t or didn’t want to sell him some that is cool, just man up and say it. It’s your right do run things and do things however you want to do them, but if you were just a little more clear about stuff it might help people, even if it means they go off in another direction. I could list 10 people that tried to buy CD’s in the last year, that ended up not getting them, but I will spare the laundry list of details. My comments on this area are not to call you out, or make you look bad. It’s just some advice on the awareness.
Asking if compression drivers are available outside the kits is asked continually, and you might feel like you answered the question but I think the majority of people don’t think so and that is why you keep getting that question over and over. Citing the dock issues, shipping, and all the semantics you cite is cool to explain your troubles to people- but honestly just a “yes when I get them, probably another month” would suffice or a “no because I have other plans for these at this time”. People can respect either one, and both are better than the beating around the bush on it or ignoring the questions. I counted 5 times it was asked recently just in this thread.
Your reply made me sad because I honestly wanted to help, and I was waiting on you to do it, but then you tried to play politics and spin it around like it’s me for whatever personal reason you felt that you needed or wanted to do that. I just fail to see how that’s going to help motivate me, or anyone else to ever want to try to help again. I was not intending to be nasty or insincere with my suggestion on the kickstarter program, and yes perhaps it is a bad idea , but I did not all expect that reaction, and my suggestion was not coming at the expense of myself not helping with the CD thing either. You assumed that for whatever reason, but reality is you never gave me the info or even asked for the help. I can only assume your intention was to make me not help, because you never intended or wanted to give me the info or have me help in the first place? That is really the only way I can make sense of it. I actually have a good friend that owns a package and ship company here in town with plenty of extra space and down time, who would be more than happy to handle all the shipping and logistics just for the business of the shipping, at normal retail shipping prices (FEDEX /USPS etc). His margin on the USPS flat rate boxes is $1, and it seems like a no brainer worth it for the easy of it.
It seems like the 360 or 150 is the easiest and most demanded models- getting a batch run seemed like a simple thing and still does. Wife would really scream if I loaded up on every model, but a few thousand is something I could do. If we needed more, perhaps someone else steps in 50/50. But again, you never gave me any info, and rather than asking for help seem intent on refusing it. So…
What am I supposed to think or make of all this? Should I really want to help? And how was a kickstarter program such a bad idea exactly? No one has to give, but those that do, can buy from the stock at cost rather than markup. It honestly seemed like a good idea to me.