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post #12541 of 12566 Old 05-14-2015, 04:45 AM
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I'm in the midst of a SEOS10/AE TD10H build and was looking for some advice on how to mount the waveguide/woofer into the baffle. There are some pics in Thinking about a shallow on wall speaker build for reference.

My doubt is the differing depths of the woofer and waveguide. It looks like the woofer is ~18mm and the waveguide is ~12mm. If I stick with my original plan on of a 12mm outer baffle then it means the woofer will stand slightly proud of the surface but the waveguide will be pretty flush. My concern is whether this will cause a (diffraction based) problem in the response given the promixity of the woofer to the exit from the waveguide. I probably want to recess it (and hence use a thicker inner baffle) for aesthetic reasons but wanted to clarify the technical aspect first. What is the recommended approach in this situation?
Why are you opposed to adding a second layer to the inside of the baffle? I don't think that you would even know it's there and should not be any different, aesthetically.
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Can you mount the woofer on the back of the front baffle and use a roundover to give a smother exit? Not sure how that will effect your alignment though, but it will effect how you construct the box so you can change the woofer if you need to.

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Why are you opposed to adding a second layer to the inside of the baffle?.
I don't follow, what do you mean?
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Curious wrt to any news/update for the 1099's little brother, newly mentioned not so long ago . . .
could make stunning surrounds

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Curious wrt to any news/update for the 1099's little brother, newly mentioned not so long ago . . .
could make stunning surrounds

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Not really much to say yet. Just that it's coming. I've been balancing a few designs right now. Which can be good and bad. Bad for time and organization, but good for keeping the audio side of my ears/brain sharp and also for innovation. It's a new woofer in these things that I've never used/heard. I'd really like to beat on them hard as I think that'll be a key feature to these speakers and how well they do bass (for crossing to subs). The woofer may even make it onto my MBM list.
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I've cut the outer baffle for my test box (for a SEOS10/AE TD10 design) and made a couple of errors along the way. This means there is maybe 2mm gap around the woofer and the cutout for the seos is a bit uneven to say the least (I was going to trim this further but I messed up that left side completely so left it as is for now).

Question is, for crossover design purposes, is this good enough? i.e. will that uneven gap at the edge of the SEOS make a difference? I can make another one (and hopefully not mess that one up!) but won't bother if it makes no difference to the XO (as this box is a bit rough for the finished product anyway).
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If it sealed when attached, seems that would be good
not sure about what "look" you're after but if it's not an esthetics issue, a good bead of clear silicon?
or instead of regular foam tape, maybe some kind of more mallable sealing goo

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I've cut the outer baffle for my test box (for a SEOS10/AE TD10 design) and made a couple of errors along the way. This means there is maybe 2mm gap around the woofer and the cutout for the seos is a bit uneven to say the least (I was going to trim this further but I messed up that left side completely so left it as is for now).

Question is, for crossover design purposes, is this good enough? i.e. will that uneven gap at the edge of the SEOS make a difference? I can make another one (and hopefully not mess that one up!) but won't bother if it makes no difference to the XO (as this box is a bit rough for the finished product anyway).



You might get a bit of diffraction in your measurements ^ but for XO I would think that region should be ok- and you could design the XO with idea you will redo the baffle with a better job.

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Might want to try some of that acoustical caulk sealant stuff ^ and fill the gap to smooth it out...

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Look in my clampless build thread. The stuff I used will dry hard as a rock and sand easily to build up the surfaces.
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that's what I was thinking (diffraction) but I was also thinking that the effect should be quite small given the size of the gap and there will be some early noise in any gated measurement anyway (e.g. from the mic stand unless I do that pole thing to hold the mic) hence I was thinking (hoping) that means there would be no material impact on the data quality.

@corradizo you mean the spackling paste?

tbh I'd rather cut a new one than attempt to fix this one, it seems I need some practice cutting out such holes anyway!!
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It'll be fine. My test boxes look like crap all the time. I usually freehand the router to save time
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I've cut the outer baffle for my test box (for a SEOS10/AE TD10 design) and made a couple of errors along the way. This means there is maybe 2mm gap around the woofer and the cutout for the seos is a bit uneven to say the least (I was going to trim this further but I messed up that left side completely so left it as is for now).

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Hope it's not too late for this to be of use now, but check this out for making a jig for recessing the waveguides.

EDIT: Even better. There's a build thread here on AVS.
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that's what I was thinking (diffraction) but I was also thinking that the effect should be quite small given the size of the gap and there will be some early noise in any gated measurement anyway (e.g. from the mic stand unless I do that pole thing to hold the mic) hence I was thinking (hoping) that means there would be no material impact on the data quality.

@corradizo you mean the spackling paste?

tbh I'd rather cut a new one than attempt to fix this one, it seems I need some practice cutting out such holes anyway!!
Yep. Spackling paste. Good stuff.
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Hope it's not too late for this to be of use now, but check this out for making a jig for recessing the waveguides.

EDIT: Even better. There's a build thread here on AVS.
I should have done it this way but I was being lazy just to check, this involves making a template that is the size of the waveguide + the distance from the edge of the enlarged router base to the bit and then using the normal router base to trace inside that bigger template?
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Short message for Erich:
Just sent a PM about trying to order some overnight sensations...
(looks like they are back in stock, but the shopping cart isn't accepting orders)

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You can order those other places easier
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I should have done it this way but I was being lazy just to check, this involves making a template that is the size of the waveguide + the distance from the edge of the enlarged router base to the bit and then using the normal router base to trace inside that bigger template?
Yes you'd sacrifice a larger peice of stock
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Just sent a PM about trying to order some overnight sensations...
(looks like they are back in stock, but the shopping cart isn't accepting orders)
The MT's are out of stock, the MTM's are in stock. On the MT page it says says they are out of stock. I do have a lot of B-stock units that I will be putting up in the next week or so. Just a nick or something like that in the cabinet that is no issue if you are painting them.

You can get the MT's from Parts Express though.



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PE is out of stock on those about as often as I am. PE was just out of stock for almost a month while I still had them in stock. So people ordered them from me, which depleted my inventory.

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Hey @Erich H , any word on that new Maximus 12 or other upcoming designs?
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The more expensive Maximus-12 using the FL-450 compression driver and the B&C midrange is complete. The cheaper model using the DNA-205 and a custom 8" is being worked on right now and should be done soon.

The "899" is being worked on right now as well.

There's a new speaker coming with an 8" woofer and the new SEOS-8 with a dome tweeter. The final voicing on that one is almost complete but the Dayton RS28 tweeter it uses has been out of stock for a few weeks. My understanding is that it won't be in stock for a couple months. It's a bummer because that tweeter is used in the Continuum, Tango, and Denham speaker from Jeff Bagby. I think there were a lot of people surprised that that tweeter is out of stock.

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I think there were a lot of people surprised that that tweeter is out of stock.
Just speculating, but if Dayton was flushed right out of inventory on that tweeter, it might be prudent to test a couple when they come back into stock. Sometimes when the factory fires back up they make a few duds getting back in the groove of building.
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On the MT page it says says they are out of stock. I do have a lot of B-stock units that I will be putting up in the next week or so. Just a nick or something like that in the cabinet that is no issue if you are painting them.


Erich,
I am interested in getting a stereo pair (or 2 pairs) of the B-stock Overnight sensations (not the MTMs).
If possible; Please shoot me a PM, and I will then proceed in confirming the order.
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Just speculating, but if Dayton was flushed right out of inventory on that tweeter, it might be prudent to test a couple when they come back into stock. Sometimes when the factory fires back up they make a few duds getting back in the groove of building.
I read that a company ordered a fairly large number of them that wasn't expected. There are a lot of speakers/kits out there using that tweeter, so hopefully they get it in sooner than later. PE said they were hoping to get a smaller order delivered as soon as possible.

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On the MT page it says says they are out of stock. I do have a lot of B-stock units that I will be putting up in the next week or so. Just a nick or something like that in the cabinet that is no issue if you are painting them.


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I am interested in getting a stereo pair (or 2 pairs) of the B-stock Overnight sensations (not the MTMs).
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