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Makes sense! I saw that thread but ignored it due to it being REW, not Omni...

I purchased omni because it does appear to be better or easier for a first time user...worth the extra $$ for me.
You are right on point regarding interpretation of graphs.
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Makes sense! I saw that thread but ignored it due to it being REW, not Omni...

I purchased omni because it does appear to be better or easier for a first time user...worth the extra $$ for me.
You are right on point regarding interpretation of graphs.
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Yes, OM is much easier to get started with and it is a great product. Do come on over to the REW thread though for info on what the measurements actually mean etc. No matter what produces the graphs, the info is the same.

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Is it the bottom or second to bottom link? Edit: got it..cool!

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anyone here in NY area know how to perform REW or the daytom omnimic? i will pay just to locate the best place for my sub. thanks.

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anyone here in NY area know how to perform REW or the daytom omnimic? i will pay just to locate the best place for my sub. thanks.

Google sub crawl. I take it you don't own omnimic? Its literally self explanatory to use the omnimic disc with laptop.

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anyone here in NY area know how to perform REW or the daytom omnimic? i will pay just to locate the best place for my sub. thanks.


It's really very simple.

You put your subwoofer in your normal viewing spot and then walk around playing the subwoofer pulse tone and see where you get the best response that's practical. Obviously, you don't want to put the sub where someone would trip over it.

Do you already own the omnimic?

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Okay i will try to do that when i get home. As per audiovideo told me. I'm sorry i never own any omnimic.

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Okay i will try to do that when i get home. As per audiovideo told me. I'm sorry i never own any omnimic.

My intended reply in the above was to say that you walk around the room with your microphone and laptop in hand and find the spot where you get the flattest response. It presumes that you have Omnimic and are running it while going around the room.

From a practical standpoint, I've always been able to locate subwoofers when they're not right next to the display. I find that more annoying than the frequency response being off a bit.

It also depends a lot on your receiver/preamp and if it has Audyssey and which version it has. The latest version does a pretty good job of equalizing your sub.

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okay im sorry, i misunderstood that. dont have any gear like omnimin. i only rely om my audysy from tha avr which is the audysy XT. and i place my sub next to my front R speaker.

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Greetings

I just got an OmniMic V2 system yesterday and ran a quick test using test disc tracks 2,6 and 12: processor is a Marantz 8801 with Audyssey on

I saw a significant drop (about 5db) in the frequency response curve around 1.5Khz in stereo test: I did not see it on the individual L/R tests: any guidance what this might mean?

I realize I have a lot to learn from this system: I just need some pointers to get started

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Could be phase cancellation at that frequency in the position of the mic.  Have you tried a few positions?


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Most definitely what Kal said.  If you don't have the mic exactly between the L and R speakers then some amount of cancellation will occur with the L+R measurement.

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And keep in mind if you are using the Audyssey reference curve there is a built in dip of 3db centered at 2khz.  That doesn't explain why is it in some but not all measurements.

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thanks: that makes sense: I will try different mic positions and Audyssey on/off
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thanks: that makes sense: I will try different mic positions and Audyssey on/off

You should be able to switch between the Audyssey reference curve and the Flat (Music) curve and see the dip disappear along with the high frequency rolloff.

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Greetings

I just got an OmniMic V2 system yesterday and ran a quick test using test disc tracks 2,6 and 12: processor is a Marantz 8801 with Audyssey on

I saw a significant drop (about 5db) in the frequency response curve around 1.5Khz in stereo test: I did not see it on the individual L/R tests: any guidance what this might mean?

I realize I have a lot to learn from this system: I just need some pointers to get started

tia

Be mindful, it's important to know that we don't hear in the same manner in which the mic collects and represents it's FR measurements ... energy over time, and the reverberant field, impact us in ways so different from how a mic measures.

In fact, the frequency range in which you mentioned, there's so much at work; that range is so susceptible to comb filtered destructive interference, also there's HRTF, the effect the listener's head has upon the way we hear and localize the sound-field using different cues.

Yeah, Audyssey could cause and does cause FR changes. But we're fortunate to be able to psycho-acoustically hear through a great deal of acoustic distortions that the both the room and the loudspeakers impart upon the experience.

Don't sweat it, besides typically FR changes via EQ should only be performed within the modal region. So it is what it is (can't fix a non-minimum phase issue with EQ).



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Ok I *almost* feel embarrassed to ask, but the instruction were vague, for me at least, with respect to a couple of minor things.

1) I have Omnimic v1, with Audio Test Tracks ver3. I didn't see a track listing anywhere. I am not so interesting in measuring the freq response of the 2 channel system as much as I am interested in measuring of a single speaker and individual drivers (I know about using a cap for the tweeter). Is there any specific track I need to use when connecting only one channel of my amp up? Just wasn't clear if Omnimic was expecting a certain level for 2 speakers. I assume it matters not.

2) Can you now use the mic with other software programs like HOLM, REW or Arta?

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I'd like a with and without impulse measurement. I've already captured frequency responses, I'd like to do the impulse test to see if my RC30 and Acoustic ceiling tile treatment, and 3" foam, and OC703 and Rockwul AT panels actually do what I purchased them to do.

Can someone give me the quick launch summary for the impulse test function to make it a useful capture and comparison using my omnimic? Any other measurements I should be trying?

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Ugh, wish I could help but I am looking for the best answer to this too. redface.gif

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Ok I *almost* feel embarrassed to ask, but the instruction were vague, for me at least, with respect to a couple of minor things.

1) I have Omnimic v1, with Audio Test Tracks ver3. I didn't see a track listing anywhere. I am not so interesting in measuring the freq response of the 2 channel system as much as I am interested in measuring of a single speaker and individual drivers (I know about using a cap for the tweeter). Is there any specific track I need to use when connecting only one channel of my amp up? Just wasn't clear if Omnimic was expecting a certain level for 2 speakers. I assume it matters not.

2) Can you now use the mic with other software programs like HOLM, REW or Arta?

 

I'd PM the guy who wrote the manual.  He goes by Bill Waslo. :)

 

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Looks like Dayton has made the move to come up with a very simple system for measuring, with a calibrated usb mic.<br><br>
Seeing as I haven't had the best luck with REW on the hardware side I'm going to pick one of these up when they become avail. but it looks promising &amp; simple from what I can see. Kal Rubinson stated he'll be getting one, I would imagine to put up against the XTZ unit.<br><br><a href="http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=390-790" target="_blank">http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=390-790</a><br><a href="http://www.parts-express.com/pdf/390-790b.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.parts-express.com/pdf/390-790b.pdf</a><br><a href="http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TAL59RD3" target="_blank">User info / Manual - pdf download</a><br><br>
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I've had this Omnimic V2 System for a while now, but still am not able to use it as intuitively as claimed. Maybe I'm not so smart, but positioning the mic, saving graphs, filtering, averaging, extracting the results and pulling out the proper EQ corrections from the results is not as easy as it is claimed to be. Every time I take measurements, I get different results doing the same thing. How can I get rid of environment noises? Is there a video type tutorial explaining how to use the system for meaningful consistent results. The Help Manual, which I read three times from cover to cover, tells you what it can do, but not the specifics on "HOW" it is done. I may be doing it all wrong or I am missing something important. Nonetheless, I have troubles dealing with a software without a detailed tutorial. Does anyone knows of a comprehensive dummies type tutorial for this Omnimic V2 System?

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I've had this Omnimic V2 System for a while now, but still am not able to use it as intuitively as claimed. Maybe I'm not so smart, but positioning the mic, saving graphs, filtering, averaging, extracting the results and pulling out the proper EQ corrections from the results is not as easy as it is claimed to be. Every time I take measurements, I get different results doing the same thing. How can I get rid of environment noises? Is there a video type tutorial explaining how to use the system for meaningful consistent results. The Help Manual, which I read three times from cover to cover, tells you what it can do, but not the specifics on "HOW" it is done. I may be doing it all wrong or I am missing something important. Nonetheless, I have troubles dealing with a software without a detailed tutorial. Does anyone knows of a comprehensive dummies type tutorial for this Omnimic V2 System?

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What are you specific problems. Getting different measurements each time you measure isn't really a problem, just reality. Moving the mic even slightly will cause changes in the response.
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A am looking for a tutorial

I would like to see or read a tutorial detailing how things are done, how to assemble, extract results when using filters, how and where filters are best used,. I have endless questions. Every computer program I ever used came with a tutorial. This is how I learn. So here is my question again: Does anyone know of a good tutorial pertaining to the Omnimic V2 System other than its Help manuel.

Thanks in advance,

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I would like to see or read a tutorial detailing how things are done, how to assemble, extract results when using filters, how and where filters are best used,. I have endless questions. Every computer program I ever used came with a tutorial. This is how I learn. So here is my question again: Does anyone know of a good tutorial pertaining to the Omnimic V2 System other than its Help manuel.

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http://www.daytonaudio.com/OmniMicV4/hs117.htm

Is that helpful or have you already read that?
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Is that helpful or have you already read that?
This is from the Omnimic Help Manual which I read three times cover to cover. It sort of hints what can be done, but not quite enough to be able to do it with confidence. I never know if the results I get are trustworthy. When the sweeps are made I never know when to save, for the sweep changes continually. What track should be used next, or if the order listed is to be done one after the other. What is the purpose of each individual track? Do I have to have done this all my life to be able to use the system? If so I would be better off returning it. Dayton assumes the user to have done this before. A detailed tutorial; is it too much to ask? I would even be willing to pay a reasonable amount for a decent video tutorial to get me going; for now, I seem to be shooting in the dark.

Thanks for your effort trying to help me, but a detailed step by step tutorial is what I am looking for.

Thanks again, Ben
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