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Just a note, even modded, my QSC RMX5050 is anything but silent, I can measure upwards of 35 to 40db at the LP which is 14 feet away.

I need to tackle that issue when I have time as it really puts a damper on my enjoyment of my system right now.


As stated before, this might be the big ticket when they finally make it out in ahhh JUNE ?!?!
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Perfect for a Pair of LMS's with no fans....
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Looks interesting, wonder if it will have low shelf EQ type ability so one can do an L/T? How is that product different from their xti series with DSP that apparently failed miserably in Chuck's test (at least the xti 1000 IIRC)?

 

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Looks interesting, wonder if it will have low shelf EQ type ability so one can do an L/T? How is that product different from their xti series with DSP that apparently failed miserably in Chuck's test (at least the xti 1000 IIRC)?

I wasn't aware the XTI failed, I guess I missed the testing of it, but the New Peavey CLASS D seemed to perform quite well in his tests, so perhaps its a newer and better breed this time around... I'm sure you saw those tests.. HERE
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I wasn't aware the XTI failed, I guess I missed the testing of it, but the New Peavey CLASS D seemed to perform quite well in his tests, so perhaps its a newer and better breed this time around... I'm sure you saw those tests.. HERE

Only one Xti amp has been tested, it had very little power <= 20Hz. I think most just concluded the amp had issues.

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As stated before, this might be the big ticket when they finally make it out in ahhh JUNE ?!?!
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/NU6000DSP.aspx
2 x 3000 Watts into 4 Ohms
Class D with DSP....

Perfect for a Pair of LMS's with no fans....

Im going to be looking for them

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Only one Xti amp has been tested, it had very little power <= 20Hz. I think most just concluded the amp had issues.

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Im going to be looking for them

Thanks Penn.... I know your up on this a bit more then I, so I appreciate you jumping in here.... I'm suggesting them for a buddy that just took my old pair of boxes to replace his Submersive HP with a pair of LMS's....

Seems with the limited power he has for the moment he is thrilled with the new change....


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gperkins got nothing more from Behringer via emails as of yet from what he stated...
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Wow, what a beautiful, high performance, subwoofer.

I considered this route as well, but after learning how much you spent on your cabinet, an $800 driver, plus an amplifier, this must've been a $2300 sub (?) and confirms my thoughts weeks earlier that such an avenue was simply out of my price ballpark.

I ended up going with a passive Captivator in black oak with a new Crown xs900 amplifier for about $1800 (got the Cap before the uptick in price) so she should be getting a solid 2000+ watts.

It'd be interesting to learn how they compare, overall.

Surely you have me bested in the aesthetics dept, as even in black oak it's safe to say the Cap will be the "cute" sister while yours wins the pageants, lol.

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Only one Xti amp has been tested, it had very little power <= 20Hz. I think most just concluded the amp had issues.

That did result in some firmware updates though, right?

OTOH, Jack Hidley posted results for a couple of his XTi2000 that showed it not to have the same issue.

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Im going to be looking for [the forthcoming Behringer DSP amps]

Ditto, unless the new XTi's drive the price of the old ones into the ground. Then picking up an XTi2000 to replace the ones I sold will look much better. But I doubt that will happen. I'm disappointed that Crown's XTi series-2 didn't go Class D.

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Wow, what a beautiful, high performance, subwoofer.

I considered this route as well, but after learning how much you spent on your cabinet, an $800 driver, plus an amplifier, this must've been a $2300 sub (?) and confirms my thoughts weeks earlier that such an avenue was simply out of my price ballpark.

I ended up going with a passive Captivator in black oak with a new Crown xs900 amplifier for about $1800 (got the Cap before the uptick in price) so she should be getting a solid 2000+ watts.

It'd be interesting to learn how they compare, overall.

Surely you have me bested in the aesthetics dept, as even in black oak it's safe to say the Cap will be the "cute" sister while yours wins the pageants, lol.

Very nice.

James

Thanks James.....

You'll more then likely have me overall in the output dept, sealed vs ported pretty much without question but I'm not a big fan of ported personally and small and sexy is def at the top of my list - the SQ of the LMS has yet to be bested by any product IMO, and I've heard and owned my share of lots.... But I will always come back to the fact that - if what you have makes you happy then you certainly have what you need and want... I am still wanting to get to hear some of Jeff's stuff... I hope you enjoy your Captivator for many years to come - its got great specs and Jeff has the praise of many....
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thanks and I'm with ya on the sealed vs. ported point.

I'll have about 5,000 cubes and will have "just" one sub for awhile and no more than (2), so I pretty much had to go with a couple of ported monsters like the Caps to get the output I'm looking for.

And I'm betting on them being the last subs for a good while, so I had better not be let down, lol.

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I wasn't aware the XTI failed, I guess I missed the testing of it, but the New Peavey CLASS D seemed to perform quite well in his tests, so perhaps its a newer and better breed this time around... I'm sure you saw those tests.. HERE

Yeah, would be nice to have tested the Peavey 6000 DSP .... if one could actually be built that is! If there was a parts shortage before, I can't imagine the quake in Japan is helping (assuming everything doesn't come from China that is).

 

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Yeah, that makes me wonder if there will be some sort of delay on the Behringer's SMPS amps as well, unless they are china
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I will say this, anything coming from japan (parts wise) may come to a crawl or even a halt. A friend works for a company that relies HEAVELY on part supplied from Japan and they have started to feel the squeeze of the terrible event that occurred.
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You have a lot of nice stuff. You must have a very nice wife to let you set all that equipment up in so many different rooms of your house. Those FW subs sure are gorgeous.

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As stated before, this might be the big ticket when they finally make it out in ahhh JUNE ?!?!
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/NU6000DSP.aspx
2 x 3000 Watts into 4 Ohms
Class D with DSP....

Perfect for a Pair of LMS's with no fans....

BTW, what do you mean by "a pair of LMS with no fans"? The iNuke's do appear to have fans ("back to front ventilation").

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High-performance DSP and 24-bit/96 kHz converters deliver ultimate signal integrity and extreme dynamic range, DSP section features sophisticated delay, crossover (3 filter types, up to 48 dB/octave), EQ (8 parametric, 2 dynamic), dynamics processing and lockable security settings

gperkins got nothing more from Behringer via emails as of yet from what he stated...

Yeah, with the big question being whether the filters go below 20hz. Doubt it, given their EQ products do not do this.

 

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You have a lot of nice stuff. You must have a very nice wife to let you set all that equipment up in so many different rooms of your house. Those FW subs sure are gorgeous.


Yeah, never did the wife thing.... so I just do what I want
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BTW, what do you mean by "a pair of LMS with no fans"? The iNuke's do appear to have fans ("back to front ventilation").



Yeah, with the big question being whether the filters go below 20hz. Doubt it, given their EQ products do not do this.

DOH, My bad on the fans.... Not sure why that was running through my head - guess I was just thinking the SMPS Class D would not have them...

Not sure one really needs to EQ below 20 hz, other then be able to set a HP filter, which is possible with current DCX, its just a bit more effort involved...
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Yeah, never did the wife thing.... so I just do what I want

lmao, 16 years on my first marriage still The only difference in doing what we want its how much it costs us

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Not that I didn't want to get married, just spent the last 17 years running my business and taking care of my son all by myself.... Some things were just more important to me during that period of time....

The decent ones are few and far between these days... so I'm not getting my hopes up at this point.... But I'm always on the lookout if ya catch my drift...

Then theres always my dads famous quote - Why make one woman misrable when you can make 10 very happy....
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DOH, My bad on the fans.... Not sure why that was running through my head - guess I was just thinking the SMPS Class D would not have them...

Not sure one really needs to EQ below 20 hz, other then be able to set a HP filter, which is possible with current DCX, its just a bit more effort involved...

How does one go about doing that again with the DCX? E.g., if I wanted to add a 12db filter at 15hz? I seem to recall something about doubling up filters?

 

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pbc, I was looking around some more and found this info for a HP with the DCX...

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The DCX does not have ability to set filters below 20Hz. While this may seem to high, it's not really. You can easily extend the actual filter by for example setting high pass filter to 20Hz, 2nd order, Butterworth. Now add a single parameteric band at 20Hz in the EQ section on the unit, set to Q of 1.5 and gain of +4 dB. This will counteract and extend the roll off, giving you an effective roll off of -3dB around 17Hz and -6db around 14hz, with rapid roll off after this.

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The DCX does not have ability to set filters below 20Hz. While this may seem to high, it's not really. You can easily extend the actual filter by for example setting high pass filter to 20Hz, 2nd order, Butterworth. Now add a single parameteric band at 20Hz in the EQ section on the unit, set to Q of 1.5 and gain of +4 dB. This will counteract and extend the roll off, giving you an effective roll off of -3dB around 17Hz and -6db around 14hz, with rapid roll off after this.

Thanks for that Warp.
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The DCX does not have ability to set filters below 20Hz. While this may seem to high, it's not really. You can easily extend the actual filter by for example setting high pass filter to 20Hz, 2nd order, Butterworth. Now add a single parameteric band at 20Hz in the EQ section on the unit, set to Q of 1.5 and gain of +4 dB. This will counteract and extend the roll off, giving you an effective roll off of -3dB around 17Hz and -6db around 14hz, with rapid roll off after this.

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Cool ... thx.

 

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It was WmAx from another forum, but I'd have preferred not give him credit, as he's a jagoff and has swindled people out of money.
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I'll have to bump this up because that 18" FW subwoofer has to be one of the most beautiful I've ever seen. I don't have the space nor the cash for such a beast, but I think I'll have to contact FW about the possibility of a 12-15" version in my price range.
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