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post #361 of 585 Old 09-10-2012, 09:45 PM
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Id love to join. Ive only done one small GTG with a couple guys in my area and we had a blast. There were only 3 of us and we just hung out and watched a few movie clips. Im more DIY based than the other two when it comes to speakers, but Im all ears if you do something.

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This is looking really good.

If you want to get away for a day, you can come to our Omaha Home Theater Tour in October. Some others from Des Moines are making the trip so maybe you could carpool.
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I'm from WI and can make it pending the date. Toss a date out there and let's get this started!!!
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This is looking really good.
If you want to get away for a day, you can come to our Omaha Home Theater Tour in October. Some others from Des Moines are making the trip so maybe you could carpool.

I was on the verge of coming to your last sub get together, but alas, I am a LONG ways away from you gents. My loss for sure.

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Okay ladies & gentlemen...please vote below on what date you would like to have a GTG. You may vote more than once, and I will see about securing the date that gets the most votes by October 1.

Click Here to vote now.
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A few more images for your viewing pleasure.

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Okay ladies & gentlemen...please vote below on what date you would like to have a GTG. You may NOT vote more than once, and I will see about securing the date that gets the most votes by October 1.
Click Here to vote now.

I tried to vote twice. smile.gif fail.
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I tried to vote twice. smile.gif fail.

Well....vote once then haha.
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I tried to vote twice. smile.gif fail.
You're only allowed to vote twice if you're a Chicago democrat!

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I can't make it, so I won't vote, but I would vote for after the new year. Holiday madness is over...
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I can't make it, so I won't vote, but I would vote for after the new year. Holiday madness is over...
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Standing on the stage looking at the west wall (and baffle wall) of the theater prior to the application of fire rated paint to the ceiling and the installation of the sheetrock. The black you see on the baffle wall is 1" Linacoustic RC duct liner installed semi-flush with the speakers (the 4pi mains stick out about 1" from the Linacoustic RC...I gave myself too large of a margin of error). The screen size should come in at just under 200" measured diagonally at 16:9.
The Center Stage XD™ screen will come from Seymour AV. The 5' of bafflewall under the screen will be finished in stained oak. At this height, the horns of the 4pis are pointed directly at the ears of the average person standing.
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Standing on the stage looking at the balcony (east side of the theater) after the application of fire rated paint to the ceiling, but before the installation of sheetrock.
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Standing in the middle of the theater looking east at the ceiling over the balcony after the installation of sheetrock. This is the finished look of the sheetrock, but before the application taping/mudding/painting.
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Standing on the South side of the theater, panning west at the ceiling. This is the finished look of the sheetrock prior to taping/mudding/painting.
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Standing on the South side of the theater, looking at the upper west wall and ceiling of the theater. Again, the sheetrock is completed, but the taping/mudding/painting has yet to be done. The rafters are insulated with open cell spray foam at an average thickness of 8". The spray foam was then sealed with a code required fire retardant paint at twice milspec.
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Standing on the South side of the theater, looking Northeast at the stage partially sheetrocked. The server rack that houses the A/V equipment will be behind the arch on the left hand side. You will only be able to see it from the far east side of the theater.
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Standing on the stage looking at the Southwest corner of the theater. You can see two of the three 8' x 6' French doors that are evenly spaced on the theater's south wall. Above each door are boxes for dmx cable. Above the middle door is emergency lighting & an exit sign. Above the middle and left door (not seen in this photo) are the boxes for the speaker wire.
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I might have asked this question before, but I cannot find nor remember the answer. Aesthetically, the twelve 1pi surround speakers will look better installed horizontally rather than vertically. Is there any issues with them being installed this way? If not, should I install them with the tweeter toward the screen, or the woofer toward the screen?

Any thoughts on how to acoustically treat this space in light of the fairly "open ceiling" concept employed in which the rafters are largely exposed with very thick open cell spray foam (painted black)? In case it should matter, the floor will be 3/4" acacia hardwood flooring.
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The 2π speakers should have tweeter on top and should probably be installed an angle - 15 to 30 degrees or so.

Without a complicated analysis of the acoustic space recommendations would be hard to guess. How does the space sound now with the foam and sheetrock in place? What will the floor finish be?

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I know it's nitpicking, but they are 1pis. ;-) As mentioned the floor will be acacia hardwood, so reflective, but only when tables are not setup (such as a nightclub dance setup). While being used as a dinner theater, I think the tables with tablecloths will really dampen the reflective nature of the hardwood flooring.

According to the JBL Pro Cinema manual someone was nice enough to send me, my surround speakers should be installed at a downward angle such that they are pointing at the corner of the opposing wall/floor.

Why must the tweeter be on top? I am not challenging your opinion...just trying to understand it. The accoustics were near dead before the sheetrock was installed, but now there is a slight echo...but much less than I thought there would be. I think the open ceiling is helping dampen things.
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Tweeter top or bottom would work - but to answer your question, the woofer and tweeter work together to "steer" the sound forming a "lobe". If you move up and down within the lobe there can be more pronounced interaction between the drivers than moving side to side. It has to do with the sound waves from each driver interfering with those from the other driver. If you mount them horizontally the sound may change markedly as you move through the space, where if mounted horizontally you'd have to climb a ladder to experience the interference. Hopefully someone will chime with a better explanation.

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How long before you can get all channels operational?

The foam should be a decent absorber, at least at some frequencies. And the trusses will really be a good diffuser. Hopefully it won't take a lot of treatments once tables and/or humanoids are in the space.

I'm a bit surprised to see no fire sprinklers. They are required in most residential construction in Fanta Se.

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How long before you can get all channels operational?
The foam should be a decent absorber, at least at some frequencies. And the trusses will really be a good diffuser. Hopefully it won't take a lot of treatments once tables and/or humanoids are in the space.
I'm a bit surprised to see no fire sprinklers. They are required in most residential construction in Fanta Se.

I think the fire codes are a little more relaxed in Iowa. In any case, this is an 80 year old building...we are grandfathered into just about every code that is out.there. That said, our fire and security is state of the art....except for fire suppression.

All channels should be up and running in about a month or so.
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Looking great Dutch! I've followed this thread consistently, but don't remember you mentioning a color scheme. I'm interested to see this all come together.

In regards to the theater "experience," remember, reducing reflections is paramount and helps with perceived immersion. Or so I've been told...lol

I say that because I just ordered 30 yards of Triple Black Velvet that I plan to make good use of in my space. My research indicates that there isn't many other fabrics that do a better job absorbing light/reflections (etc...). I was just wondering what the overall finishing plan was. If I missed it, point me to the right post vs repeating yourself.

 

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The plan and design is on-going.

I ran the idea of mounting the 1pi surrounds horizontally to Waybe Parnham on his forum. He said it would definately be a bad idea. I now understand whyas well.
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The plan and design is on-going.
I ran the idea of mounting the 1pi surrounds horizontally to Waybe Parnham on his forum. He said it would definately be a bad idea. I now understand whyas well.
I would assume vertical vs. horizontal dispersion... as would be the case with all (well most?) horn loaded speakers.

Someone correct me if I am off base?

Anyway, back to my post about velvet. I got a few samples from a company I found online. Here is a pic comparing them.

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The darkest one in the picture is the Triple Black Velvet. Glad I ordered samples because I thought all but the Triple Black one looked like crap! The picture doesn't do it justice, but the Triple Black one is the plush velvet, like what you would expect from "velvet." The rest of the samples weren't even close...

I’d like to think I got a pretty good deal at just over $10 per yard shipped, but maybe others have found better deals? Here is the link to the specific velvet I have been referencing. Of course this may be a bit further down the road when you are finalizing the finishing touches, but I’d thought I would post it up just for your reference at some point.

I’d love to make your get together my friend, but I’m out in DC and I don’t think there would be any way I could convince the wife to let me make a trip out your way… Although, she is a wine-o… Hummm, seems like I potentially got a few months to massage the idea, so we’ll see…

Has the potential of being an EPIC event…!

 

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LMAO...I just changed the title of my thread to account for correct spelling. How has no one noticed this before?


Before: Building a Dinner Theater w/ DYI Speakers, Subs, etc...

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LMAO...I just changed the title of my thread to account for correct spelling. How has no one noticed this before?
Before: Building a Dinner Theater w/ DYI Speakers, Subs, etc...
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I laughed to myself about that as I was writing my post yesterday. You've put in too much work for anyone to care about your horrible spelling... =)

 

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Any updates? I have been following this from the start and would love to stop by for a listen once I retire from the Navy. Looks great!
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My apologies for the lack of updates the past three weeks. We've been busy, and I haven't had sexy new pictures to post that were substantially different from previous posts quite yet.

The main level and tower are fully rocked, mudded, sanded, and primed. The kitchen has even been painted this ugly 1964 yellow/green color that I vote repainting a different color. The focus the past few weeks has been finishing the construction of the bottling line on the lower basement level, and finishing the electrical down there as well in order to prep things down there for the sheetrock contractor.

I WAS able to unwrap the server rack and baffle wall last Saturday after five weeks of not being able to play with it due to the work being done on that level. The main level should be painted in about a week or so, and I will then be able to mount the twelve 1pi surrounds, as well as order the materials for the movie screen from SeymorAV out of Ames. Final research is also wrapping up on projector selection. I am still leaning toward the BenQ Sh960.00It is well priced at $4,000, has 5,500 lumens, as well as the correct throw ratio for where it needs to be mounted. However, I am still open to alternatives.

I will post new pictures after this coming Saturday.

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Looks fantastic so far Dutch, I was a couple of months behind on your updates.. wish I was closer so I could attend the GTG ( I didn't know what that meant either wink.gif)

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The main level should be painted in about a week or so, and I will then be able to mount the twelve 1pi surrounds, as well as order the materials for the movie screen from SeymorAV out of Ames. Final research is also wrapping up on projector selection. I am still leaning toward the BenQ Sh960.00It is well priced at $4,000, has 5,500 lumens, as well as the correct throw ratio for where it needs to be mounted. However, I am still open to alternatives.
I will post new pictures after this coming Saturday.
Cheers.

I really like your choices for screen and projector. I own a cheaper BenQ model and like it. They do have a ton of lumens available. I've seen your screen material and the owner is coming to Omaha HT Tour at the end of the month. You want to come on over?

Has the GTG date been finalized?
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Husker...thanks for the invite, but I am crazy busy through the end of the year.

Not many people voted on a date for the GTG. I will suggest better dates as we get closer to the end of the year and have a better idea of a date that is after we finish that room.
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Husker...thanks for the invite, but I am crazy busy through the end of the year.
Not many people voted on a date for the GTG. I will suggest better dates as we get closer to the end of the year and have a better idea of a date that is after we finish that room.

Understandable. Plan on attending your GTG! Your attention to detail is pretty impressive.
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