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I think it is still being figured out. Tentative on 4 custom Q's per Riccis suggestions.
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I think it is still being figured out. Tentative on 4 custom Q's per Riccis suggestions.

+1, but as im gonna start with 4 "similar to the q's" then decide if I want more, but on a custom run, guess id have to get 8 to be safe...

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+1, but as im gonna start with 4 "similar to the q's" then decide if I want more, but on a custom run, guess id have to get 8 to be safe...

After demoing these 8 MFWs in my basement while the wife was upstairs, I'd be looking at a divorce if I buy 8 Qs....and these 8 boxes just look RIDICULOUS...need AT screen bad.....
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After demoing these 8 MFWs in my basement while the wife was upstairs, I'd be looking at a divorce if I buy 8 Qs....and these 8 boxes just look RIDICULOUS...need AT screen bad.....

haha, yea i decided to get the AT screen out of the way first, and for that matter, get the entire 'hometheater" thing out of the way before there even IS a wife to be worried about. haha

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haha, yea i decided to get the AT screen out of the way first, and for that matter, get the entire 'hometheater" thing out of the way before there even IS a wife to be worried about. haha

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emailed back and forth a few times but haven't heard back since friday. should someone tally what number of each we are looking at?
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emailed back and forth a few times but haven't heard back since friday. should someone tally what number of each we are looking at?

I have his office # somewhere around my office. I was hoping we would hear back something one way or another. I'd love to see a deal on those XCONS if possible (I'd be fine with Q's too).
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I think it is still being figured out. Tentative on 4 custom Q's per Riccis suggestions.

I would be in for 4 custom Q's like Ricci suggested as well depending on price, maybe more.

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Last mention was that they were behind on emails. Plus with the holidays fast approaching... I'd hold on a bit for a word on this til after the Christmas rush or even after New Years.

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Last mention was that they were behind on emails. Plus with the holidays fast approaching... I'd hold on a bit for a word on this til after the Christmas rush or even after New Years.

Just got word back from Mark/Aaron with SSA about their Xcon 18". Aesthetically this is more like the LMs and it fits well into the parameters that were thrown around previously (30mm xmax, shorting rings, Fs below 30hz etc). I know they will want some $ up front given what a hassle some group buys can become. They like Fi are used to dealing with the car audio crowd so let's show some HT decorum and handle this the way the TD group buy, MFW group buy was handled...painlessly. I will work with Aaron on a minimum quantity to order and an agreeable price at that quantity. I would love suggestions of course on pricing you think is fair for these US made drivers. Mind you these go for $400 every day.
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I LOVE the single dish aluminum cones. If I had a choice, that's what all my subs would look like to match the quad Sound Splinter RLp18's I have now. They were manufactured by TCSounds so they are very similar.

I must know more about this... XCON.

No...seriously. Don't make me wait.

Are they available usually? I might just jump on them, group buy or not.

EDIT: Yup. I want these. Very similar to my RLp's. Must... have.... now.

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I LOVE the single dish aluminum cones. If I had a choice, that's what all my subs would look like to match the quad Sound Splinter RLp18's I have now. They were manufactured by TCSounds so they are very similar.

I must know more about this... XCON.

No...seriously. Don't make me wait.

Are they available usually? I might just jump on them, group buy or not.

EDIT: Yup. I want these. Very similar to my RLp's. Must... have.... now.

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I must know more about this... XCON.

No...seriously. Don't make me wait.

Are they available usually? I might just jump on them, group buy or not.

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Sealed use 4-6cu ft. These model similarly to Q's, but with increased power handling and shorting rings standard. I could be wrong but I'm 99% confident these are made by Scott (Fi) for SSA. If I can get pricing at a group buy level I will order one asap, and drop off to Ricci along with an SSD if he can get some #'s on both. Will update of course when I get more info.
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how do these SSD drivers compared to the MFWs?

I currently run 4 MFWs in sealed boxes, might pick up 2-4 of these if they present signifcant values over the MFWs.
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how do these SSD drivers compared to the MFWs?

I currently run 4 MFWs in sealed boxes, might pick up 2-4 of these if they present signifcant values over the MFWs.

The SSD's compare roughly 1 SSD (5cu ft):2 MFW (5cu ft) as far as output is concerned versus the MFW. No significant benefit to going this route on paper at least. There may be some SQ differences, but that's hard to know either way.

The Xcon (5cu ft sealed) does much better at 1:4. The main differences are less power needed for the MFW's, however, you need twice the box size for 4 MFW's (10cu sealed). The Xcon on a group buy would be cheaper than 4 MFW's also.
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Would any modifications need to be made the the XCON for home use or would the "group buy" not be a special run?

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If we could get the coils switched to copper, drop a couple of spiders (I don't think we need 5 since most of the HT crowd isn't going to be slamming them with a bunch of power below tuning in a vented enclosure.) and remove the logo I think we'd be in business. Who knows maybe Scott would cook up something modified for us based on the Xcon or Q platform.

I think if the price could come in near $300 per driver in a quantity of 40 or 50drivers that'd be an awesome option for DIYers. Not sure if that many could actually be doable though.
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The SSD's compare roughly 1 SSD (5cu ft):2 MFW (5cu ft) as far as output is concerned versus the MFW. No significant benefit to going this route on paper at least. There may be some SQ differences, but that's hard to know either way.

The Xcon (5cu ft sealed) does much better at 1:4. The main differences are less power needed for the MFW's, however, you need twice the box size for 4 MFW's (10cu sealed). The Xcon on a group buy would be cheaper than 4 MFW's also.

hmm....then XCON seems interesting then. i look forward to more details on this driver.
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If we could get the coils switched to copper, drop a couple of spiders (I don't think we need 5 since most of the HT crowd isn't going to be slamming them with a bunch of power below tuning in a vented enclosure.) and remove the logo I think we'd be in business. Who knows maybe Scott would cook up something modified for us based on the Xcon or Q platform.

I think if the price could come in near $300 per driver in a quantity of 40 or 50drivers that'd be an awesome option for DIYers. Not sure if that many could actually be doable though.

If that could be done I don't think we would have an issue getting 50 together.

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If that could be done I don't think we would have an issue getting 50 together.

I've just decided to get 4 - 15s of whatever the heck you guys dream up.
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This is what I don't understand, maybe you guys can explain it to me. When I built my 12" sub, and I said I was going sealed, I was ridiculed for wanting sealed. Everyone was suggesting ported designs. So I've done a lot of simulations with ported or PR designs. But with larger subs, people are back to sealed again, and it's actually preferred? I'm guessing it's the 20 Hz to 10 Hz performance that people are after. I modeled some SSD 18" drivers and sealed they stayed below XMAX all the way to 10 Hz with 1000W each. Is that what people are thinking?

I guess between about 40Hz and 20Hz a ported enclosure has more output. But below the tuning frequency, sealed becomes a better choice?
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This is what I don't understand, maybe you guys can explain it to me. When I built my 12" sub, and I said I was going sealed, I was ridiculed for wanting sealed. Everyone was suggesting ported designs. So I've done a lot of simulations with ported or PR designs. But with larger subs, people are back to sealed again, and it's actually preferred? I'm guessing it's the 20 Hz to 10 Hz performance that people are after. I modeled some SSD 18" drivers and sealed they stayed below XMAX all the way to 10 Hz with 1000W each. Is that what people are thinking?

I guess between about 40Hz and 20Hz a ported enclosure has more output. But below the tuning frequency, sealed becomes a better choice?

For a single driver like a 12" sub it probably does make most sense to port it. 1 single sealed 12" will offer very minimal output 10-40hz in a room of significant size. Now when you get into having multiples, and larger drivers (in this case 18") sealed offers the benefit of more low end response coupled with room gain and smaller enclosures typically. Check out data-bass.com write up on the LMS 12 in different alignments. That will give you some idea as to the benefits of a single driver in different enclosures.
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If we could get the coils switched to copper, drop a couple of spiders (I don't think we need 5 since most of the HT crowd isn't going to be slamming them with a bunch of power below tuning in a vented enclosure.) and remove the logo I think we'd be in business. Who knows maybe Scott would cook up something modified for us based on the Xcon or Q platform.

I think if the price could come in near $300 per driver in a quantity of 40 or 50drivers that'd be an awesome option for DIYers. Not sure if that many could actually be doable though.

Yeah. I'm sure I would be okay with them in stock form as they sim quite close to my RLp's... and that's all that really matters, amiright? I would think that the price might go up with those kind of modifications but it wouldn't hurt to ask either considering most of us would go with the HT optimized option, I'm sure. Either way, I think this is the driver I'll have my eye on. 40-50 driver order sounds like a stretch, imo. I would be down for 4 so that would mean nearly a dozen more would have to order just as much. Sounds pretty optimistic but it could happen.

Though if I could get those cones clean black, no logo... *drools*.

As an aside, those of you you who truely need the SSD/Q's, go for it! Better price and not lacking in performance at all. Don't get hung up on Xmax numbers, fellas.

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Just when i had the SSD vs. Q thing figured, along comes this XCON.
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LOL! Tell me about it. I pretty much had everything planned out.

Oh well, I'll hang tight and see what the prices look like. Possibly in on 8 of them.
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The SSD15/18's are still a killer whale of a deal and won't disappoint with bass.

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Thx scott I needed that. I swear if I had room I'd look like a dealer with multiple show rooms. It's not that one driver is leaps and bounds ahead of another, just the variety thing ya know like a garage full of exotics. Who can pick just one lol.
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