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Assuming Ficar agrees to this can we get a estimate on who would be interested in the group buy for SSD18's? If you are interested please copy and paste this and add how many you would be willing to purchase if there is a break in the current $254 price.

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Assuming Ficar agrees to this can we get a estimate on who would be interested in the group buy for SSD18's? If you are interested please copy and paste this and add how many you would be willing to purchase if there is a break in the current $254 price.

Auburnu008: 16
Edoggrc51: 8
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you might want to post the same at home theater shack. there are lots of guys on that board that might be interested in such a buy as well. also, you might want to specify what options would be available or if they will all be the same. for example, you might get some more folks to jump in if a "no logo" dust cap is possible. great thread, good luck.

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Got an email back from Scott. I probably shouldn't cut and paste it all in here though. PM me your email addy for the whole thing if you weren't cc'd by Scott.

Essentially we need to get the driver(s) we want figured out, we will put in the number with him, and see what can be done regarding price. They would do more of a special non branded production run on whatever we decided we want, and that may end up being less cost.
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Too bad it's not Q's or I might be interested.
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Too bad it's not Q's or I might be interested.

+1 as im still leaning towards those instead. I just like mega displacement, what can I say!

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Ricci, beyond the additional excursion of the Qs what would one benefit from sound wise over the SSD18s? I know more technology is employed in the Qs but if a perspective set of drivers were not stressed in terms of driver excursion and were not tappin out from too much power, would they sound very different? Trying to learn here.
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+1 as im still leaning towards those instead. I just like mega displacement, what can I say!

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Too bad it's not Q's or I might be interested.

I'm also leaning toward Q's--either 15/18s. We can always do 2 orders.
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Reading the other thread it seemed like most people were interested in the SSD's because they represented a better overall "value". I figured if we were going to try to get a group but together the SSD's might get more takers.

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The SSD's are a killer value already but so are the Q's really.

I'm not trying to hijack the thread here.

Q's have a more powerful motor, require very slightly smaller enclosure sizes, offer more geometric xmax, higher thermal power handling and offer an aluminum inductance shorting ring which is very important to me. They do weigh more and cost more money though.
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Too bad it's not Q's or I might be interested.

I am working with Scott to see what custom options, and ideas he has best for HT use. I think it's best this group buy info stays as much as possible to PM's. From what I can tell I don't think he wants to do off the shelf SSD's or Q's because of the car audio following he has. What options would most people like however? I assume high QTS for sealed and shorting rings. Any other options people would like to add if it can be done affordable?
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Either:

4-8 standard SSD18's d2

or

4 custom Q18's d1 + high Qts + heat ring


I'm not really sure yet but they both sound cool and would be way more output than any of us really need.

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I am working with Scott to see what custom options, and ideas he has best for HT use. I think it's best this group buy info stays as much as possible to PM's. From what I can tell I don't think he wants to do off the shelf SSD's or Q's because of the car audio following he has. What options would most people like however? I assume high QTS for sealed and shorting rings. Any other options people would like to add if it can be done affordable?

I think everyone agrees with no logo? I like a blank non descript cone. As long as we are pulling out wants for a custom driver run I'd rather have the concave cone like on the Xcon and on the Ascendant Audio Havoc. I like it's cosmetics better but that's just me.

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Low Qts ( between 0.35-.45 for 18's to keep the enclosure size down and for efficiency. Definitely well below 0.5 for 18's and keep it below 0.45 for 15's, otherwise the enclosure size gets too big.)
Low Fs (Below 30hz is fine but near 20hz would be better.)

That is my list. I have a feeling that would end up being more than a Q though. If someone is talking to Scott tell him the application. Multiple drivers in small sealed boxes using Linkwitz Transform and tons of amp power.
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I think everyone agrees with no logo? I like a blank non descript cone. As long as we are pulling out wants for a custom driver run I'd rather have the concave cone like on the Xcon and on the Ascendant Audio Havoc. I like it's cosmetics better but that's just me.

No logo
Close to 30mm xmax
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Low Qts ( between 0.35-.45 for 18's to keep the enclosure size down and for efficiency. Definitely well below 0.5 for 18's and keep it below 0.45 for 15's, otherwise the enclosure size gets too big.)
Low Fs (Below 30hz is fine but near 20hz would be better.)

That is my list. I have a feeling that would end up being more than a Q though. If someone is talking to Scott tell him the application. Multiple drivers in small sealed boxes using Linkwitz Transform and tons of amp power.

Perfect! I will forward these options to Scott and see of these options what are possible if it goes the custom direction. If I don't hear back from him by midday Monday I'll give him a call to try to get this moving along. I did mention the XCON idea to him as well which would fit within these parameters. I can't imagine they don't have some different options that fit within these parameters given the number of models they manufacture for various OEM's.
Keep in mind all of these subs are made in US with US steel so I don't know how much of a price break we are going to get, but the beauty is we shouldn't have to wait 6+ months like going through AE or some of the other custom manufacturers. These are already incredibly priced given the cost of the LMS and Mach 5 drivers.
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Thanks for the work on this. I am in for 16 of whatever (SSD's or Q's or a modified version of either/both) if the price is right.

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"Shorting rings"

is this inside information or did i miss it on their website?

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"Shorting rings"

is this inside information or did i miss it on their website?

They call it a 'heat ring'.

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dangit, I like the standard cone, white logo, and the Q's style options. I might just have to order seperate from all you guys, even though originally I suggested the group buy! haha oh well. there is still hope depending on what the final design is, I might could sacrifice the logo

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"They call it a 'heat ring'."

really? that implies a fundamental misunderstanding of a shorting ring or a pole sleeve.

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"They call it a 'heat ring'."

really? that implies a fundamental misunderstanding of a shorting ring or a pole sleeve.

Lol, well... this is how they define it for their drivers:

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I Heat Ring: This option is a machined aluminum ring in the gap that lowers the inductance of the voice coil which allows it to play up a little higher in the frequency range and have better overall transient response. Please note that you can NOT select low Qts and the I Heat Ring options together. 



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"They call it a 'heat ring'."

really? that implies a fundamental misunderstanding of a shorting ring or a pole sleeve.

John you have to understand that the products they sell direct to the customer are directed and heavily bought by the car audio boomy boom boom crowd so you have to read through their marketing literature a bit. They do a TON of OEM work. I assure you that Scott knows how to design a solid driver and what a shorting ring does. Look at their newest BTL line and the motors going on there. More importantly look at the cost for their neo 18's compared to what else is on the market that is neo these days and consider that most of this is manufactured here in the states. The same guy did both versions of the XXX one XBL and the other split coil and the new SMD and Crossfire's with the crazy double motor system (I forgot what they called that.)
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dangit, I like the standard cone, white logo, and the Q's style options. I might just have to order seperate from all you guys, even though originally I suggested the group buy! haha oh well. there is still hope depending on what the final design is, I might could sacrifice the logo

Don't give up yet. Hopefully something will come of this that we call can agree on.

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Don't give up yet. Hopefully something will come of this that we call can agree on.

Oh Im not, dont worry

EDIT: I was also thinking, some folks are suggesting buying at least one American made present for christmas this year to help the economy. IF we have everyone here buying between 4 and 16 drivers, that would be spectacular

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I think everyone agrees with no logo? I like a blank non descript cone. As long as we are pulling out wants for a custom driver run I'd rather have the concave cone like on the Xcon and on the Ascendant Audio Havoc. I like it's cosmetics better but that's just me.

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Low Qts ( between 0.35-.45 for 18's to keep the enclosure size down and for efficiency. Definitely well below 0.5 for 18's and keep it below 0.45 for 15's, otherwise the enclosure size gets too big.)
Low Fs (Below 30hz is fine but near 20hz would be better.)

That is my list. I have a feeling that would end up being more than a Q though. If someone is talking to Scott tell him the application. Multiple drivers in small sealed boxes using Linkwitz Transform and tons of amp power.

Actually, you're describing the new SP4 fairly closely.

Of course, as you go lower in naked F3, you lose in sensitivity, so there's a wash in the end there with the L/T'd system. It's only pertinent if you plan to stay naked.

For a [the kinda subs I design/build/enjoy] sealed system, there isn't going to be a significant difference in the end result with 4 to 8 x 15s or 18s.

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I would be in for one if the price comes down enough. I'm picturing a bass tower about 21" square and 3 feet high. The wife will LOVE it.
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I would be in for one if the price comes down enough.

Don't expect to suddenly see a 25-30% drop in price per unit. I think it will be very small (5-10%) at best, especially if we are modifying for a custom run...that was the idea I get from the emails but I could be wrong. I think it will be a helluva product though.

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No logo (if they can indeed by concave like you suggested)Close to 30mm xmax
Shorting rings
Low Qts ( between 0.35-.45 for 18's to keep the enclosure size down and for efficiency. Definitely well below 0.5 for 18's and keep it below 0.45 for 15's, otherwise the enclosure size gets too big.)
Low Fs (Below 30hz is fine but near 20hz would be better.)

Q's for Husker

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Actually, you're describing the new SP4 fairly closely.

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No mention of shorting rings

Not enough motor / Q is too high for my tastes (The 15" is close enough though)

It has a logo (not that big a deal)

It has the regular cone / dustcap (Another cosmetic nit pick I do consider #1 crucial and #2 a big deal when looking for a small box sub.)
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scott and josh (ricci), roger your posts.

any idea why this: "Please note that you can NOT select low Qts and the I Heat Ring options together."

substituting a thin ring in place of a couple coil windings?

lurkers, ignore the side conversation among scott, ricci, bosso, and me and get yourself some ssd's. good ht driver at a really good price.

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I'll buy 4 Q's optimized for small sealed enclosures. I prefer concave plain black, but don't care if the price is good.
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Is this still in the works? I need some <20Hz output in my theater.
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