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While currently waiting for results of some of the 18's being tested (using better judgement, gaa I hate waiting), I've decided to hold onto my two tempests and I was planning on just fashioning up two 5 cuft sealed enclosures that I could later use for whatever 18 I decide to go with until I thought, "I'd like to try a sonotube for fun!"

Wit that said this build would be a quick and dirty install. Going behind the screen with no needs of waf or beauty in general, think i (with no knowledge of llt type setup) could fashion up a pair of these guys in a single Saturday afternoon or a long Friday night tomorrow night? I don't even understand the anatomy of how they work, other than sub fires down and port fires up .

If its too big of an undertaking then I'll simply just build the sealed deals, heck might do both anyways. Lemme know your thoughts of the feasibility and where I even get the stuff needed thanks dudes

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Hey dudes, a little help here!!! Im gonna start te build tomorrow if I can locate the stuff close by. I've got wood, plenty of it, screws,pl, and tools to get the job done, just need a little guidance.

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At the movies. Will post some help when I get home.

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Sweet ill check it out!!!

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An LLT isn't really any harder to design than any other of the popular alignments. It's just a larger than usual vented system.

First of all... which Tempest? The older style from Adire or the newer Exodus Tempest-X? You mention that you have two drivers. Did you want them each in their own enclosure or separate? How large of diameter and height are we looking at here?

Fill me in on this stuff and if you think you've got the chops, you could start building soon and be done for the weekend.

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An LLT isn't really any harder to design than any other of the popular alignments. It's just a larger than usual vented system.

First of all... which Tempest? The older style from Adire or the newer Exodus Tempest-X? You mention that you have two drivers. Did you want them each in their own enclosure or separate? How large of diameter and height are we looking at here?

Fill me in on this stuff and if you think you've got the chops, you could start building soon and be done for the weekend.

Thanks scott! I have a pair of tempest x-2's (the last two I think Kevin had) so they are the most recent exodus line. each in the own enclosure would be the deal, and I guess diameter would be whatever size tube I could get my hands on, I dont know where to find tubes like that. I have at the most, 7 feet of height to play with and size doesnt matter (contrary to popular belief)

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Also, what kind of extension are you seeking? What kind of amp will you use?

Call up a local contractor of wood and concrete. See if they can help you. I called a general building contracting company back when I needed 8" sonotube for the ports in my current LLT's.

I'll start doodling with some sims, you find out where you can get some sonotube.

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Also, what kind of extension are you seeking? What kind of amp will you use?

Call up a local contractor of wood and concrete. See if they can help you. I called a general building contracting company back when I needed 8" sonotube for the ports in my current LLT's.

I'll start doodling with some sims, you find out where you can get some sonotube.

Got a 12 foot 18 or 24 inch internal diameter tube that I can pick up before 4:30. cutting directly in half would yield two 6 foot sections I could utilize, thus only having to buy a single tube, i can cut to length once you have a good model up

Kevin suggested a 340L (12 cuft) 12hz tuning on the LLT he outlined in his white papers for the tempest x-2

alright so I need to just get some pegs for the bottom and some 6 inch pvc for the port and I should be good to go.

EDIT: that 12 hz tuning should get me flat to 10hz in room @ 115db

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That's a good start and pretty much what I was simming with. Get which ever one you want to use but that 24" one will have the most volume per foot of height. Obviously. I'd go with that size cuz a 6' 18"dia sonotube will barely get to 300liters of net airspace. A 24"dia tube could get up to 500liters at 6' tall.

What kind of amp are you going to use with these?

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That's a good start and pretty much what I was simming with. Get which ever one you want to use but that 24" one will have the most volume per foot of height. Obviously.

What kind of amp are you going to use with these?

with the 18 inch tube the full 6 foot section would only yield 10 cuft, I wish that would work, if it does id rather do that. if not, ill go with the 24 inch diam.

Ill be powering with my epx4000 but can downsize to the crown xls2000 I have on standby if need-be, although the epx should be a perfect fit for two cabs.

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OOO thanks for the sims!! would going to that 300L sonotube bring the corner up significantly? I want the lowest tune possible but still seems we go over xmax above 10hz and barely over near 20. Makes me a little nervous but the 20hz is so little over it should be ok right?

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I wouldn't shink these anymore than the sim'd 340liter, imo. Wouldn't be much of an LLT. My vote goes for the 24" diameter tube if you can fit it.

Yeah, I sim'd with an ep4k equivalent 600w per channel so your epx would be perfect. You would be okay. That sim shows not even a full millimeter over Xmax. More like .5mm over. Lol, you'll be fine.

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I wouldn't shink these anymore than the sim'd 340liter, imo. Wouldn't be much of an LLT. My vote goes for the 24" diameter tube if you can fit it.

Yeah, I sim'd with an ep4k equivalent 600w per channel so your epx would be perfect. You would be okay. That sim shows not even a full millimeter over Xmax. More like .5mm over. Lol, you'll be fine.

going to switch out for the truck and make a run to the concrete shop right now. This might break records for the fastest build in AVS history...although Dusty Shopfloor did bang those stentorians out aweful quick. I want to have these done by tonight. with the 24 inch diam, to yield 340l, i would need a 4 foot section pipe, sound about right? that leaves about .25 cuft after driver displacement. what length 6 inch port would I need at that point?

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I could go 5 feet on the tube length if need be

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You're looking at a full length, three foot long tube for the port. Start there and if need be you can cut it down. I had to do the same with mine... but I never cut them down. Kept the low, low tune.

While you're there, get that or use the PVC pipe. Get the 24" tube and have them cut it down to anything between 4-5ft in length. I'd swing towards to the higher end of that range but it's not completely necessary.

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alright then, ill stick with 4 foot pipes, 3foot port. regardless im out the door to scoop supplies...Scott, you are the man

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Gonna be a tight fit that port in a 4ft tube.

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Gonna be a tight fit that port in a 4ft tube.

well as close as I can get then I am 100% ok with going to 5 foot tubes, Ill have the supplies to do so and the space is fine.

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I'd push for the larger tube, myself but it's your call. Sounds like a fun build!

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I'd push for the larger tube, myself but it's your call. Sounds like a fun build!

what would that get me to go a foot taller with a longer port? Lower tuning but higher breakpoint for excursion on 600 watts?

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Just makes room for the port without butting up against the driver on the other side. Better to have too much room than not enough in a ported alignment. The extra excursion is minimal. Like, one more millimeter used up. You'll be good.

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Two tubes ready for some work.
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Getting there, but I'm running out of beer!!!
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Good stuff!!

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Massive sono-subs! Strapped in for this one...
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Against my instinct, I decided to paint before completion so these big guys didn't sit in my theater unpainted for 3 months. They shall be dubbed "Das Tubatrons"

Need more pl and the job will be done in less than 24 hours.
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Every bit of it!!!! 24" diameter housing a pair of tempest X-2's

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