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Those cabs look VERY substantial. The bracing is excellent and the finish is nothing but bass business like.
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Cabs all loaded.

DAMN these things are heavy!! I'm just glad I got the TC SOUNDS logo somewhat lined up without losing a finger. Mounting a 90lb driver in a recessed hole isnt exactly fun.

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Any time bro. Just say when.
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So I spent most of the morning placing the subs and setting everything up. I ran XT32 first then used the SMS-1 to set a flat FR. Bumped up the bass by 3db's and level matched everything else.

So far im really liking what im hearing/feeling. Certain things like output are more of a sidestep when compared to my previous setup (dual Conquests), but extension and ESPECIALLY the sound quality are much better. These subs sound so clean they just beg you to keep turning them up. I could see how some of the guys here have 4 or more of these drivers in their setup. Headroom, like we all know, is golden.

The sanway amp has been great, no problems with it so far. My temperature gauge in the cabinet stays at about 83 when running it hard. And the fan noise to be honest, is a non-issue for me. Unless the room is silent I cant really hear them.

Here's some pics of the subs in their new home and my setup itself. Any and all comments are much welcomed. And thank you all for the info & advice. It is GREATLY appreciated.

Cant wait till I add 2 more subs!!







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Nice! Love those LS6s too!

Someday maybe I'll actually WATCH my projector...
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Looks great, Like your setup...clean and impressive
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Cut those damn tags off the pillows!!!!!!!!! thats all I got ha!!

Blasting brown notes for 10 years and counting!

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Sexy! Annd....omfg, you have LS6's too?! Gah! Awesome!

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WOW...those turned out great....looks really nice

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Thanks guys! I love the LS6's too.

Well so far my initial impressions are that the LMS's dig deeper, MUCH MUCH deeper. Another huge improvement is the SQ. These thing reproduce every little detail thats thrown at them. As far output goes, I think maybe the Conquests had a little more?? Not really sure of that yet as I haven't really pushed them too hard. Either way once the next pair gets built that won't be an issue. I'm just glad I went ahead with the build. These subs are definitely an upgrade in the things I was looking for.
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Could be that they are so low in distortion that they seem less "loud".

My very first impressions of my dual LLT's were that way compared to my single Adire Tempest (Daytond DVC15 equivalent) with 250w but I was way off with some more time on them. So... just sayin'

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^^^^^^

So so true. These things are incredibly clean!
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Congrats Edogg!! Those are super clean looking!!!

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Thanks bro! The grills will be shipping out tomorrow which will bring my build to an end.

Time to start saving my pennies for the next pair!
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I know you said mounting the Ultra in a recesssed box was a pain but MAN!, the finished subs look so sweet, classy and compact! Great choice and nicely done, actually the whole room and all the gear looks fantastic!
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I know you said mounting the Ultra in a recesssed box was a pain but MAN!, the finished subs look so sweet, classy and compact! Great choice and nicely done, actually the whole room and all the gear looks fantastic!

Thanks man! Yeah loading them was a BEEATCH! The cutout was just the perfect size, so I used a bit of lube around the the sub gasket to help it slide in place. My first attempt pinched the gasket so I had to remove a semi-loaded 80lb driver. That was NO fun! Luckily the rest of the assembly went about as smooth as can be.

The grills get here tomorrow. I'll post pics of them when they arrive.
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Those look fantastic!

If you get four going with a pair of fp14k clones, you'll have enough output to make you ill. Literally.

I'm still surprised at the power of those amps. I finally saw the clip lights for the first time last week, and I couldn't stand being in the same room it was so loud.
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If you get four going with a pair of fp14k clones, you'll have enough output to make you ill. Literally.


Thats exactly what im going for!
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Thats exactly what im going for!

So that's what that bowl is for in front of the couch Are you going to attach seatbelts as well when the other pair arrive

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So that's what that bowl is for in front of the couch Are you going to attach seatbelts as well when the other pair arrive

No the seatbelts get installed when the 3rd pair get built!
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Grills are here! eD shipped them extremely well packed. Finally all done! And just in time to proctect them from the kiddie party we're hosting today.



And some high res pics of the finished product.



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I really like the no nonsense black box with a grill. Sexy power.

Broken anything with them yet?

 

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I love how those look! If I hadn't just gotten an unbelievable bang for my buck on some other subs I would be doing these without a thought.

Someday maybe I'll actually WATCH my projector...
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They look fantastic, I am considering a 5400 in a small sealed box so nice to see this working effectively. It amazes me what the TC drivers can achieve in small sealed boxes.

Tell me do you have to worry about these subs bottoming out and therefore have to apply a hpf? I am guessing not since a sealed box doesn't allow tuning below Xmax frequency?

What output will you get at 20 hz and below with these babies?
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I really like the no nonsense black box with a grill. Sexy power.

Broken anything with them yet?

Nothing broken....... yet.

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I love how those look! If I hadn't just gotten an unbelievable bang for my buck on some other subs I would be doing these without a thought.

Thanks bro!

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Tell me do you have to worry about these subs bottoming out and therefore have to apply a hpf? I am guessing not since a sealed box doesn't allow tuning below Xmax frequency?

What output will you get at 20 hz and below with these babies?

Good questions. Maybe someone with more know how than me can answer them. Im running a 15hz HPF just to be on the safe side. Everything is set pretty tame too. Just trying to get used to them while they break in.
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Congrats, nice approach,.ie., LG clone powered LMS, w/eD cab. I've always considered these eD cabs, combined w/the LMS drivers a compelling recipe for world class bass, scale-able, add more to taste...just add optimization.


I too considered eD making me some cabs a year or two ago. I went a different direction, however those cabs appear phenomenally heavy, and just bad-ass. So good lookin' out there. Interesting comments wrt perceived output etc, relative to the Conquests. No question the Conquests would offer epik output at tune and above. Clearly the attributes of the current rig are low distortion and sealed alignment extension, and if you're wanting more output, it's gotta be either bottom octave stuff, or resides higher up and it's rooted in some cancellation effect of some type. I don't know, just throwin' that out there.

I'm glad to read you're happy with the ambient noise off the amp in the manner in which you use it. I'm not much on lowering the cooling spec after the amp leaves the factory. I've always found work-arounds such as hush box type acoustic mini treatments around the offending area of question, etc. So that's cool that it's working out the way it is.

A few Q's; did you manually implement a LT correction? Ease of optimization and integration w/the mains? What wattage do the clones put out @ the impedance seen by the LMS drivers, can you bottom them config'd as is? Any room measurements you could share? Total weight? Have you measured any voltage or current readings while pushing the amp/drivers?

Sorry about all the questions, but I can really relate to the manner in which you approached this entire thing,...as I've coveted those very mains, I've considered this very route toward subs, etc.



Thanks and good luck


btw; I'm diggin' the line arrays Very nice...but c'mon, how about a third one and an AT screen?

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A few Q's; did you manually implement a LT correction? Ease of optimization and integration w/the mains? What wattage do the clones put out @ the impedance seen by the LMS drivers, can you bottom them config'd as is? Any room measurements you could share? Total weight? Have you measured any voltage or current readings while pushing the amp/drivers?

Thanks man!

As for the EQ of the subs, I first ran XT32 then used the SMS-1 to achive a flat response. After playing around a little with the phase settings I was able to integrate the subs with the mains pretty nicely.

The clone puts out 4400watts @ 4ohms in stereo, which is how i have the Ultras wired.

I dont have any measurements other than the SMS-1 screenshots i could post. Im guessing the subs weight about 200lbs?? All i know is that they are heavy!!
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Why use a HPF on the best sealed sub driver money can buy?!?

Looks great, btw!

Because the last thing you want to do is bottom a TC Sounds sub, they bottom out REALLY hard.

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