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There are so many subs out there so I thought i would just ask. Im looking for a sub driver and amp combo that will sound great and for home theater and music and dig deep as well. My buddy has a fv-12 and that sounds pretty great but its such an eye sore and its huge, my goal is to build something easier on the eyes with not taking up as much room. I was actually thinking sealed but not sure. I heard you can diy for cheaper and sound better then someone building it for you. Would like to stay in the 12" driver range . Need some help so I can get off my computer.

One recomdation to me was a tc sounds epic 12 with a bash 500 amp.

I do have an idmax 12 sitting here collecting dust but i heard its not that good in ht application unless you have a big enclosure. Thanks for your advice and help.
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If you go sealed, I would recommend the Oaudio 500w amp. It gives you more control over the sound and is priced good. I am using one with an sdx-15 sealed and it sounds great.

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If you plan on just one sub for HT, please include the room size as what alignment you should use will be dependent on how much room gain is available.
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room size will be varible lol im in the military stationed away from my home so i will be moving alot for the next couple years. I also plan on using one sub for now but wouldnt mind a second one when I am alil more stable


I was looking at that particular model amp I read good things.
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When you say "like to stay in the 12" range" are you only talking about the woofer, or are you wanting a box that small as well? What size box is acceptable? You have to understand the smaller the box, the harder it is to get deep bass. The driver and amp you have selected will require some nice room gain, or EQ to have much below 40hz in a small sealed box. If you want something that will impress vs what you could buy for $500, and isn't really that big, here's what I suggest:

- 20" square box strategically braced
- Dayton RSS315HO-4 12" $150
- Dayton NS390-PR 15" Cast Frame Passive Radiator (all mass washers added) $106

With the 500W Bash amp ($190) you will have very good output down to 23hz in a modestly sized (for subs around here) enclosure.
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yes 12 woofer range, as far as box I would rather a taller skinner box then a wide box. The box size isnt all that important butI d rather not go into the 20s with depth and width unless needed. So you do not think this sub would do better then the HO model.
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=293-650

As far as subs go for home theater what numbers should i be looking at i come from the car audio boxs and subs where the car does alot of the work.
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"My buddy has a fv-12 and that sounds pretty great but its such an eye sore and its huge"

actually, that is pretty small for a sub that will actually do anything.

there is a reason that a cello is larger than a violin and it isn't because cello players like schlepping their big instruments around town.

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"My buddy has a fv-12 and that sounds pretty great but its such an eye sore and its huge"

actually, that is pretty small for a sub that will actually do anything.

there is a reason that a cello is larger than a violin and it isn't because cello players like schlepping their big instruments around town.

well I do agree with that statment but still doesnt change the fact that the fv12 is an eye sore. I actually wanted to buy that sub but then I put in my front room, Next to my entertainment set up and couldnt look away from it, I also had a lava which sounded great for music but lacked ext. and i couldnt justify keeping it and still wasnt great looking with the cover off all though it did fit in the size cat. Which is why a diy interested me so much.
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what mains are you running? i may have an idea.

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right now im running energy rc-10 and energy veritas mini center, I will be replacing those in a year or 2
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well, so long as you are running bookshelves, make some "stands" with sidefiring subs in them.

port it out the back, tune it to around 25hz or so and run with it. one per side.

a search on google images for "side firing subwoofer" will provide some ideas.

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while that is a great idea it might be alil more of a project then i need at this point plus my next mains will be towers. I am still looking for the woofer and amp suggestions. Thank you for your response
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ok, let's try something else.

how about a small cubic enclosure with a driver on the front, passive radiators for the sides, and an amp on the back?

that should get you down to about a 15" cube.

the price that you pay for small is in $$$, in this case, the two passive radiators.

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def more of what i was looking for as designs goes but what about the drivers themselves?
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yes 12 woofer range, as far as box I would rather a taller skinner box then a wide box. The box size isnt all that important butI d rather not go into the 20s with depth and width unless needed. So you do not think this sub would do better then the HO model.
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=293-650

As far as subs go for home theater what numbers should i be looking at i come from the car audio boxs and subs where the car does alot of the work.

Yes that is a very good woofer. After playing around with winisd, and being clear about what kind of enclosure you want, I think you would be good with that woofer in a 14"x14"x24" sealed box (approximate 1.5ft3 after driver/bracing/stuffing/etc.) IF you use the O-Audio 500W amp on the 25hz setting. The HPF's have built in EQ circuits making this amp work well with small sealed boxes. I'm using these on my dual subs, the filters work exactly like they model, and Oaudio was easy to deal with when I had an issue with one of the amps. Here's what you should expect.
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jay, the epic is out of stock until late june.

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jay, the epic is out of stock until late june.

didnt even notice
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jay, the epic is out of stock until late june.

damn it, i just saw that. Well that is out of the question now.
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any other drivers at that price point with those kind of specs? the only website i know is part express or some id companys that sell mostly car speakers.
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the fi car audio ssd12 works well in a 1.5 cubic foot ported cabinet (the passive radiators will act pretty much the same as ports without requiring a ton of space).

i'm not sure what suggest for passive radiators.

put as much amp on it as possible, because small enclosures are inefficient and require a ton of power.

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here is one that will work ok.

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=295-140

there are some that are more expensive, but with a typical 500 watt plate amp and the fi ssd12, two of the ns310-pr's should be ok. fully loaded up with their mass, they will give you a tune of around 23hz.

i don't like these tiny designs, but to each his own.
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yes looked at those specs that sub likes 1000 rms might be asking alil to much to amp that sub. looks pretty flat tho.
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running a driver at less than its maximum rated power does not create a problem.

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running a driver at less than its maximum rated power does not create a problem.

yes I agree. You think that sub is my best bet for that price range of driver what about a bigger encloser with one radiator?
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Take a peek at the Sundown SA12, the VC gap cooling will help it absorb some juice in a compact enclosure and it is quite reasonably priced.

 

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It's also the very sort of Voodoo Engineering that should never be done.

 

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"Take a peek at the Sundown SA12"

in winisd model, it gives pretty much identical response as the fi, so either is fine.

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The SA12 is 195$ at SSA shipping included, the Fi SSD12 is 205$ plus shipping. So they are close in price as well as response. Personally I'd take the extra motor cooling in a compact sealed.

 

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It's also the very sort of Voodoo Engineering that should never be done.

 

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"what about a bigger encloser with one radiator?"

with that p.r., you need two. there may be others where you can run one, but i would not run one of the suggested.

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http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/s...Subwoofer.html
How's this one spec looks interesting at that price point
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there is a reason that a cello is larger than a violin and it isn't because cello players like schlepping their big instruments around town.

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