Originally Posted by 316
Im curious if its due to a true lack of midbass a perceived lack of midbass, or simply a matter of some guys, myself included want more of it just because we like the feel of it similar to a person who just has to have that fast car. I will be measuring my system and will know what the cause was/is.
That is possible, but in your case you already have two high sensitivity, high power handling 15" woofers. Think of it like an 800hp car (your setup) vs a 900hp car (the horn). Now let's assume both cars are on a crappy tire and can't get traction. They will both perform poorly and maybe be just as slow as a 400hp car. That is a rough analogy, but until the car hooks, or in the case of speakers in a small room, you can get a good frequency response, you won't be able to tell the difference.
If you have response nulls screwing up the 50-200hz range there is no amount of "more" that will help. Not EQ, not sensitivity, not amp power. Oh and very very few setups get that range right in a small room. Of course, every outdoor concert gets it right because that range is very easy outdoors, but has nothing to do with the fact that horns or huge amps or pro drivers are used.
You need two things from abotu 50-200hz:
1. Uncompressed SPL capability
2. Good frequency response
Unless you are using pretty wimpy bookshelf or hifi speakers, the first point is taken care of. It is the 2nd point that is much more difficult.
Originally Posted by Decadent_Spectre
Frequency response is very important, you need emphasis in the 100-200Hz region for this while keeping things smooth. SBIR/reflections is a problem, direct sound is far more effective at the perception of punch IMO, I believe this is one of the reasons why outdoors is where people perceive the best punch/kick.
I will add that time domain behavior is also important, both the systems native characteristics and the effects of the room.
That said I will say that on a level playing field (outdoors) absolutely nothing can "kick" like a short straight FLH.
Just my 2 cents
People perceive the best kick outdoors because it is not a modal environment and there are no nulls making a mess of 50-200hz. It is that simple.
How are you leveling the playing field? Number of drivers? Amp power? Budget? Size of cabinet? What about bandwidth? Sure, with the same driver and power over a limited frequency range a horn will win, but it isn't that simple.