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Simple question! I found a set of three in my area and will more than likely jump on them assuming there is a way to tell they havent been reconed or are all original Any ideas?? Thx

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the only thing that i can think of is where the leads are punched through the cone.

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There is a pair of 2206's on ebay with some really nice photos of the cones including the rear side. I assume the orange tint on the rear side of the cone is a sign they at least used the same cone as JBL if it isn't the original.

Yes, I know you want the 2226...

Another hint might be a pretty cone in an abused frame.
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first one is the brown ring the back side of the cone should also not be perfect there should be bumps.
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well seller admitted to them being a recone, and upon looking at pictures, the cones are not the "gray" that the 2226H is supposed to be so they were actually pretty easy to spot. guy was still asking 185 for them reconed, so dont know how good or bad a deal that still is, but I would still rather go full on new drivers if at all possible.

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I really hate seeing threads like this. Super de-moto for meez but thanfully, all mine fit the descriptions of being 100% authentic.

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I want either a pair of these or the td12m;s if I can find em to do a seos build

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Ahhhh.

Don't forget about the 4Pi if you get 2226's.

http://www.pispeakers.com/catalog/pr...roducts_id/108

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Ahhhh.

Don't forget about the 4Pi if you get 2226's.

http://www.pispeakers.com/catalog/pr...roducts_id/108

ish, got cornfused If i was scooping those three then I was going to do the 4 pi's if there wasnt an seos build. Optimally I would like to get the 2206's or td 12m's to build an seos build in my old advent boxes This needs to happen sooner than some 4 pi's, as I already have the boxes and am REALLY ready to get something going with them

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well seller admitted to them being a recone, and upon looking at pictures, the cones are not the "gray" that the 2226H is supposed to be so they were actually pretty easy to spot.

Recones are OK but only if they're JBL parts; a lot of the smooth response of these drivers is due to the cone material.

Though I guess it wouldn't be an issue if XO at a few hundred Hz, but the you might as well use a cheaper driver.

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I pick up 2 from Jeff of enjoy the music. I was told they were reverse polarity. The have drips on the cone.
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I pick up 2 from Jeff of enjoy the music. I was told they were reverse polarity. The have drips on the cone.

Black terminal is pos.
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Black terminal is pos.

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Easy way to test but yes, these should be positive on black terminal normally.

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Noob question, For example I have a no name speaker with spades terminal, how do I test which is positive?
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Noob question, For example I have a no name speaker with spades terminal, how do I test which is positive?

Quickly touch a 9-volt battery to the terminals. The sub will move out when the positive battery terminal connects to the positive sub terminal.

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+1

Easy way to test but yes, these should be positive on black terminal normally.

Why would it be this way?

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It seems rather odd but that is how the 2226 woofers are made from jbl. It says right in the documents for them. Positive signal will drive the cone in instead of out like most speakers.
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It seems rather odd but that is how the 2226 woofers are made from jbl. It says right in the documents for them. Positive signal will drive the cone in instead of out like most speakers.

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http://www.pispeakers.com/JBL_Polarity.pdf

Now that's just wrong...Im paranoid as it is that I never have everything wired right. Geez

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Anyone know of a rebutable place that can recone a 2242HPL with JBL parts? I made one of mine too stinky.
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The amp shop here in town is who reconed the ones I found the guy selling, he may do a good job reconing, but I just know I don't trust his performance one bit with amps of any type...

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Anyone know of a rebutable place that can recone a 2242HPL with JBL parts? I made one of mine too stinky.

Wayne Parham suggested Speakerworks (specifically David Miller) to me as a reputable shop that uses authentic JBL recone kits.
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anyone has the winisd files for 2226h?
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Wayne Parham suggested Speakerworks (specifically David Miller) to me as a reputable shop that uses authentic JBL recone kits.

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anyone has the winisd files for 2226h?

Enter in the numbers manually from here: http://www.jblpro.com/pages/pub/components/2226.pdf

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"Why would it be this way?"

because jim lansing was building speakers long before there was any standard. we are talking 50-60+ years of heritage here. this isn't a chinese company that came along in the past 10 years and copied a design, but one of the founders of driver technology. there is pretty much an entire website dedicated to the guy's work: http://www.audioheritage.org/ though others have definitely advanced the ball. with that much history, it can be understood how they would be reluctant to diverge from his convention on the speakers most closest to his works.

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Why would it be this way?

My TC Sounds 12" TC2000 D4 is wired "backwards" (positive to red makes the cone travel inward). I found out when placing another sub adjacent and the LF response went null.
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There's a cheap pair of 2226H's on Ebay right now... I was thinking of putting a bit down in hopes of getting them cheap.

I guess it's pointless though to buy them in hopes of a SEOS design... I'm definitely not capable of doing that myself.
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The 2226 is common enough that someone will help work up a SEOS design.

Worst case is you have the 4pi design as a fallback position.
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