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This is with the other 5 speakers powered up (the center, sides, and rears)

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So I was at least expecting to see those weights start walking across the floor... wink.gifbiggrin.gif

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Yeah the weights are there for a reason wink.gif I should invest in spikes.
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What kind of SPL peaks are you getting with 9 subs and 27,000 watts? Also, what subs are you running?

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What kind of SPL peaks are you getting with 9 subs and 27,000 watts? Also, what subs are you running?

I'm running a mismash of different subs, as I kept on to the older ones that still had value.

My overall motto, and the most important thing to know about me, is that I'm an absolute Sound-Quality fanatic, I will sacrifice any 'other' parameter to obtain that first if I feel unhappy with the results what-so-ever; sometimes even cost (within the reach of my middle-class income, that is).


With that said, I will have to tell my story behind it first so that it makes some sort of sense for the state I'm in and the directions I took.

Way back when, I started with a Velodyne CT 10, then a CHT-15, and then their high-end servo class-D line; equivalent to what the SC1250 amp now is.
Then I upgraded to a single SDX-15, and sold the Velodyne stuff. I then bought another SDX-15.
After which, I was looking for even more beastly bass, so I bought 8 Mal-X 18's and built two 16cubic ft boxes, I didn't like their lack of upper bass, I then wanted even more bass so I bought a pair of Mal-X 21's.
They were all part of the "bad batch" and eventually succumbed to failure.
That then led me to buy an LMS-18 (which is the best sub I've ever used I might add, although expensive).
Eventually I repaired the 21's myself. Still unsatisfied with the upper bass weakness in my system I decided to build a quad array of Dayton Pro 18's. I'm now happy with the upper bass. (You can 'almost' never have too much low end.)

Unfortunately all that led me to skimp out on the amps.
Believe it or not, most of the power is going to the speakers rather than subs (it's a SQ thing). I'm workin' on the situation...
I'm looking to pull the trigger on 1 or more FP14k clones to get these subs more power, but first I need to get me a DCX in order to do it proper.

My room is L-shaped, unloading to a 40ft hallway, at the L, with tonnes of windows and a french-door, which IMO is the worst possible thing one can have to induce high SPL,
it seems to cause what I feel is a 20db+ dip at the LP throughout the entinre bass region.
This much cone would normally rip a house apart and nearly deafen all that dare enter. Your mileage may vary.
It's still fairly loud though, most commercial movie theater are designed for 105db peaks; if the movie demanded it (which I haven't seen one that does yet) my system can squeak out ~115db continuous 20 to 20k for the entire film length with +10db peaks; which would make for very tired ears after 30-60mins, most "average joe's / guest's" consider 95db-A of treble about the top of their comfort zone, beyond which they tend to complain IMO, and for good reason.
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Why don't you just build a dedicated theater where you can control more of the environment to butane better bass and sound? I have had a "living-room theater" for years and there are way too many drawbacks and compromises. 2 years ago I built my dedicated theater and I will NEVER go back. lol

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Why don't you just build a dedicated theater where you can control more of the environment to butane better bass and sound? I have had a "living-room theater" for years and there are way too many drawbacks and compromises. 2 years ago I built my dedicated theater and I will NEVER go back. lol

One day I plan to do exactly that, be it in this house or a new one. This is a "rec-room theater" that I'm making-do with.

For this house it would require that I tear down the left side of the house and all drywall in this room, then move the central air, expand that side out at least 5 feet, pour more cement, add more beams and decking, install all new carpet, electrical, venting and insulation etc;
it would probably cost more than the sound equipment itself; even if I did most of the work by myself it would still cost major. All that just for a little better boom-boom, a touch less fan noise, and a bit better in overall layout\construction. What I should do is quit my job and become a Banker CEO, like a boss biggrin.gif
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The weights did not move..... LAME :-)
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Watching the video in 1080p on YouTube makes it look like some creative photoshop work is in use there, things don't look natural in how they move, very odd.

Sounds intense though. biggrin.gif

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A lot of subwoofers look that way during excursions on compressed video.

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Not the sub, watch the background, black areas around the fireplace, it's freaky looking. wink.gif

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Watch the background, black areas around the fireplace, it's freaky looking. wink.gif
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Freaky looking black background?
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Yes, lol.

If I watch it full screen @ 1080p I get the illusion that the black areas around the fireplace area are moving as if there are two static pictures sliding back and forth over eachother (superimposed if you will). confused.gif

If I watch the center tower it gives the impression the right side is moving away from the left side in between the top two drivers. The tweeter on the center appears to move even though the tower does not.

I know it sounds odd but I have shown it to a couple people to make sure I was not seeing things and they see it too, anyway it just struck me as odd looking, no big deal. wink.gif

Maybe it's the camera adding this effect, IDK.

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I think it is your graphics card or something wrong with your computer/browser/flash player, the whole frame moves as one when I watch it (as it should); it looks exactly identical to what the camera recorded it as on my localhost, no lines or streaking etc, just normal hand jitter.
A tripod would make the video look unnaturally still (i've tried it), it's because 99% of the pixels are the same across the B-frames; usings a tripod would make it look like a picture for sure. Also, tripods just get it my way, they are totally inconvenient. So I don't use.
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Nope, not the pc, played it back on 3 different up to date pc's (2 x Win7 64 & WinXP pro) on 4 different displays and it did the same thing, no other online vids do it, indeed very odd. confused.gif

Ah well, no matter, still sounds intense in there. biggrin.gif

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Nope, not the pc, played it back on 3 different up to date pc's (2 x Win7 64 & WinXP pro) on 4 different displays and it did the same thing, no other online vids do it, indeed very odd. confused.gif
Ah well, no matter, still sounds intense in there. biggrin.gif
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I'm using latest patches on Win 7 Ult 64 SP1, IE9, Flash 11.3.3, GTX670 in PCI-E 3.0 mode (304.79), i7 3820@4ghz, LGA2011, X79, 32gb ram... works for me hehe wink.gif
Prior, it worked on my older/slower PC too WinXP Pro 32, IE7, GTX8800, i7 920@2.6ghz, LGA1366, X58, 6gb ram
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Was thor at reference levels? Are those B&W speakers? I will play the same scene on my system at reference and record it. All you will see is the screen(sorry, no speakers or subs are visible) but you can hear it. I am not sure how good it will sound from the video recorder.
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Here was an old clip of WOTW with my older setup. JBL with 8 sealed 18's.

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MK, is that your original (8) eD's?

Refresh my memory,...You had them all up front, right? EP poweramps? How much per drive?

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Yes, I had 8 sealed 190v2's and all running 2 ohms into a channel of a ep-2500. 8 channels in all. 4 subs were my speakers stands and the other 4 were setup as dual opposed in the corners, facing up and down. Here is the pic

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Believe it or not my new system is better in every way! Not the single DR's but the arrays! Simply stunning! I will take new pics and videos soon!
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Was thor at reference levels? Are those B&W speakers? I will play the same scene on my system at reference and record it. All you will see is the screen(sorry, no speakers or subs are visible) but you can hear it. I am not sure how good it will sound from the video recorder.

If I pull the screen down you don't see the speakers in my system either, my room is long but narrow, 2x1 scale with an L at 40%.
They are B&W Nautilus 803's
I'm amp limited, I'd gain another 4db's by going with a FP14K clone.
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