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What I have read online - people that aren't building the cabinets themselves would take the plans for the cabinet and some pictures of finished designs to a local cabinet maker and ask for an estimate. That should give you an idea of what it will cost in your area.

Thanks...that's kind of what I am thinking. It sucks living in a rural state when it comes to the hobby. There aren't many people...then people that enjoy the niche of high end audio....it's tough. I'll look around for some cabinet makers and see what I can come up with.

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I think I want to go with this. The only thing I'm not seeing is what the inside of the cabinet should look like? It talks about a center brace, but where is the drawing that I could take to someone that would show them exactly how to build it? I only see the one that shows the hole locations. Also, could I use any type of would for this. Is it best to use MDF and then put a veneer or do like a solid maple or cherry? Thanks for everyone's help. At least I've settled on a design now. smile.gif I just don't like the box they have pictured...want it to be more pretty.

http://www.audioheuristics.org/projects_gallery/ER18DXT/ER18DXT.htm

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I think I want to go with this. The only thing I'm not seeing is what the inside of the cabinet should look like? It talks about a center brace, but where is the drawing that I could take to someone that would show them exactly how to build it? I only see the one that shows the hole locations. Also, could I use any type of would for this. Is it best to use MDF and then put a veneer or do like a solid maple or cherry? Thanks for everyone's help. At least I've settled on a design now. smile.gif I just don't like the box they have pictured...want it to be more pretty.
http://www.audioheuristics.org/projects_gallery/ER18DXT/ER18DXT.htm

This is look to cost me around $700-$800 by the time all is said and done. How do you think it will compare to the WOW1's that are about $500 more? Are they in the same league?

http://salksound.com/wow1%20-%20home.htm

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That doesn't require a purchase, merely an audition.
Indeed, I think buying something that's likely to sound different from what one's used to without auditioning it first is a recipe for dissatisfaction.

Do you see where I live? There are 900,000 people in the entire state....maybe 3 others that are interested in audio. smile.gif From everything I've read people seem to love the ribbon tweeter, I'd be willing to gamble.

So what? Do you not have a car? Is there no airport nearby?

I mean, I suppose if you tell yourself that a given whatever will make you happy, in a vacuum of ignorance it probably will. And if that's all that matters to you, buy speakers based on what people write in forums. But if you're interested in exploring what you actually like, then go somewhere where you can listen.

Ribbons are a recurring fad in audio. Those of us who have been here for a while lived through the Raven and LCY booms, as well as the smaller (perhaps because they were cheaper) Aurum Cantus and Fountek boomlets. Now there's Raal, yet another ribbon with good-not-great measurements and an astoundingly high price for a piece of Reynolds Wrap clamped at two ends with a magnet that has people going gaga. Whoo hoo. Other people can have the diffraction-laden edgy treble reproduction ribbons give off. I'll take a decent conventional driver (dome, compression driver) in a properly sculpted waveguide every time.

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So what? Do you not have a car? Is there no airport nearby?
I mean, I suppose if you tell yourself that a given whatever will make you happy, in a vacuum of ignorance it probably will. And if that's all that matters to you, buy speakers based on what people write in forums. But if you're interested in exploring what you actually like, then go somewhere where you can listen.
Ribbons are a recurring fad in audio. Those of us who have been here for a while lived through the Raven and LCY booms, as well as the smaller (perhaps because they were cheaper) Aurum Cantus and Fountek boomlets. Now there's Raal, yet another ribbon with good-not-great measurements and an astoundingly high price for a piece of Reynolds Wrap clamped at two ends with a magnet that has people going gaga. Whoo hoo. Other people can have the diffraction-laden edgy treble reproduction ribbons give off. I'll take a decent conventional driver (dome, compression driver) in a properly sculpted waveguide every time.

What is your deal? Your advice is to spend hundreds of dollars on a plane ticket to fly somewhere to test a speaker? But, not to gamble on said speaker that would cost around $1000 after reading reviews? If reviews aren't worth anything than why are you on here and how does the internet direct world survive? Have you listened to every design you have ever built? If so, good for for. I'm not afraid to take a chance on something. Maybe you're annoyed because I'm a newbie that said I would like to hear a ribbon tweeter which you obviously hate. If you don't want to help me and just want to be a jerk...then please move along. Life is too short to get worked up over a speaker. I'm 100% certain you know way more about any of this than I do. I am also 100% you could be of value to me if you so chose to be. Instead you would rather thumb your nose at me.

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I think I want to go with this. The only thing I'm not seeing is what the inside of the cabinet should look like? It talks about a center brace, but where is the drawing that I could take to someone that would show them exactly how to build it? I only see the one that shows the hole locations. Also, could I use any type of would for this. Is it best to use MDF and then put a veneer or do like a solid maple or cherry? Thanks for everyone's help. At least I've settled on a design now. smile.gif I just don't like the box they have pictured...want it to be more pretty.
http://www.audioheuristics.org/projects_gallery/ER18DXT/ER18DXT.htm

It's really just a basic 8.5"W x 14"H x 12"D box, for .5 ft3 internal volume. The only important dimensions are the baffle width, and driver placement on the baffle, which is why that's all he bothered to give. You can literally take one of these finished cabinets and just pay someone to make the driver cut outs, and/or refinish them to your liking.

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=302-721

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=302-720

(you can also get those with cherry or mapple veneer also, he used the cherry cabinet for the build)
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It's really just a basic 8.5"W x 14"H x 12"D box, for .5 ft3 internal volume. The only important dimensions are the baffle width, and driver placement on the baffle, which is why that's all he bothered to give. You can literally take one of these finished cabinets and just pay someone to make the driver cut outs, and/or refinish them to your liking.
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=302-721
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=302-720
(you can also get those with cherry or mapple veneer also, he used the cherry cabinet for the build)

He does mention a middle brace though. I'm sorry if I'm annoying the piss out of you. I'm just the kind of person that needs to know exactly how to do it with nothing left to my imagination. Since I'm a novice, I'm afraid to make a mistake. I want to make it look something like the Paradigm speaker below...which is why I will try to fins someone to do the cabinet for me. They are going to want exact dimensions. So if I give them the drawing of the front baffle layout, what should I have them do for internal bracing?

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=paradigm+rosewood&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=1517&bih=714&tbm=isch&tbnid=0ol-WzS8dJ_t8M:&imgrefurl=http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/view_images.php%3Fcat%3DSpeakers%26catnick%3Dspeakers%26cfid%3D648943088%26image_id%3D2329577&docid=5t-ic9EH4YB1KM&itg=1&imgurl=http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/image.php%253Fimage%253D2329577%2526is_user%253D0&w=1024&h=768&ei=K-UAUJbOMYXPqQHRgsCxDA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=592&vpy=158&dur=3460&hovh=193&hovw=258&tx=108&ty=152&sig=106062304830736946131&page=1&tbnh=162&tbnw=217&start=0&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0,i:81

EDIT: I found his email address on the website...I may just send him an email.

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Just realized they have in depth details on the PE product page

http://www.parts-express.com/pdf/302-721s.pdf

http://www.parts-express.com/pdf/302-720s.pdf

You could just tell a builder to skip the details that would make it have a removable baffle. If you go with a sealed box, which will reach 80hz no problem, you could get the full wrap around rear.
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Just realized they have in depth details on the PE product page
http://www.parts-express.com/pdf/302-721s.pdf
http://www.parts-express.com/pdf/302-720s.pdf
You could just tell a builder to skip the details that would make it have a removable baffle. If you go with a sealed box, which will reach 80hz no problem, you could get the full wrap around rear.

Another thing I'm having trouble with is the x-over. He has a schematic(which I'm having a tough time reading) and a picture of it. Since I'm not real sure how to read the schematic and you can't tell from the photo exactly where all the wires go. Also he doesn't have the little white things with screw going through the top on there parts list. It looks like some of the caps are wire into it and is probably where the speaker wire connects to the terminal post. Which is the next thing....the internal speaker wire isn't on the parts list either. I was looking around parts express for the jacketed wire like in his photo and can't find it. I see all kinds of bear speaker wire, but nothing like he is using for the inside. sigh, I wish I knew what I was doing. I think if I can stumble through the first one and get some hand on experience that I will learn a lot. I've been trying to do some reading on how to read a schematic...but I haven't found anything real clear yet. I appreciate the help you have provided so far. Thanks, Ben.

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Email the schematic to info@madisound.com they can give you a quote for an assembled crossover, prices are very reasonable. The speaker wire isn't relevant, just pick up a cheap spool of 16-18 gauge wire and call it a day, trust me it does not matter. I do recommend getting crimp connectors to at least attach the wire to the tweeter, people have destroyed tweeters soldering directly to them (this is what you see in the picture attaching the wires to the woofer). You'll need a crimping tool if you dont have wire strippers with one built in.
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Email the schematic to info@madisound.com they can give you a quote for an assembled crossover, prices are very reasonable. The speaker wire isn't relevant, just pick up a cheap spool of 16-18 gauge wire and call it a day, trust me it does not matter. I do recommend getting crimp connectors to at least attach the wire to the tweeter, people have destroyed tweeters soldering directly to them (this is what you see in the picture attaching the wires to the woofer). You'll need a crimping tool if you dont have wire strippers with one built in.

Done. Hopefully it's not a whole lot more than the parts to build it. If not I will go that route. I have high hopes for these speakers. They are going to cost as much as my Canton GLE 430's that I'm using as mains now...but I am hoping they will sound even crisper. I want the highs and mids to sparkle. If they are a bunch better, I will build a matching center. If not, I will just put them upstairs where I need something other than the tinny sounding tv speakers that we have now since moving my main equipment to the basement. I really should stop spending money....but this stuff is so addicting. The DIY world is scaring me because there appears to be a lot of good stuff out there. If I get a good taste, I'm afraid I'll be hooked in for life.

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i would suggest looking at selah audio. i have the sa2, its great. he has very reasonable kits with crossovers built. the ssr and some others look very nice.

Rick Craig is very helpful too. i see he posted earlier in the thread.
good luck.

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i would suggest looking at selah audio. i have the sa2, its great. he has very reasonable kits with crossovers built. the ssr and some others look very nice.
Rick Craig is very helpful too. i see he posted earlier in the thread.
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http://www.selahaudio.com/id268.html

Thought about it, but I'm all in on the Mark ER18DXT. From what I have found on it...it sounds like it is hard to beat for the price. I have a friend lined up to do the soldering and a guy to do the cutting for me.
Now I just need to find someone to sell me the amount of Rosewood veneer I need(6 sq ft.) Everyone has 4x8 sheets on their sites. I made some calls and left some messages to see what I can do.

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