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Ooooooooh, Nice!

I have heard those LS6, they are excellent speakers. What is the biggest difference between them and the JTR's?

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I have heard those LS6, they are excellent speakers. What is the biggest difference between them and the JTR's?

JTR's so far are just so transparent it is rediculous. Loved them for movies and such. The LS-6 just kill it for music. And that is why I got them. The SEOS/ae td12x's will supplant these once I build them out for movie watching. The LS6 will go upstairs to a dedicated music listening setup after a while, but assuming I Can get everything to fit, they will all be stuffed behind the screen in immense glory for a little while... I would have the say the JTR's are just able to scream at you should you want them to, and the efficiency is quite nice to handle dynamic peaks. The LS-6 doesnt underperform here but it takes a little more work from the amp to get you there. The JTR's being quite "point-source" designed, are much more directional where the LS-6's throw a very deep and spectacular stage at you.

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Haha, thanks! I had one of the gf posing all nice beside them but I wasnt allowed to send that one out over the interwebz... did really good to see how big that stack of speakers is tho.

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Got it and replied - looking forward to seeing your speaker build!
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Could be the tweeter level. I find adjusting tweeter level is one of the most often required changes after a simulation. If you have some spare resistors you could try swapping them around. Unless you've put it all together, then that could be a pain.
Have you tried the cross fire? That might take more room out. As well bring the direct sound from the tweeter down a couple db. At higher levels, this becomes essential to avoiding fatigue. The room will wear on you if they're not setup well.
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Re: the listener fatigue - I reran MCACC, and went in and checked what it set, and noticed it put a fairly large boost at 8K - like +6 dB or so - I pulled that down, and it seemed to help. I then was curious if my temporary placement, speakers sitting on the floor, might have something to do with it - so I plopped my butt down on the floor in front on the front/center seat, and things sounded great! So I need to get them up closer to ear height. I would have expected that if anything, the top end would droop if my ears were too high off vertical axis, but it seemed the opposite.
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It's all about getting the driver integration right, which is related to geometry (ear / woofer / tweeter position).
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Update: they are now in place behind the AT screen (have been for a while, just forgot to update the thread), and a couple days ago I finally got around to adding acoustic absorption to my HT, and so I re-ran MCACC auto to get things set up properly. Watched the new Spiderman movie just now, and everything seems just right now - the speakers absolutely disappear, really helps with just enjoying the movie instead of thinking "hey, what was that, maybe I should back it up and listen again, something seems off".

Of course then after the movie I realized that MCACC likes to set them to LARGE, and so I checked the settings, and sure enough the LCR were LARGE - so I guess now I should set them to SMALL and watch the whole movie over again. tongue.gif Actually I also need to remember to bump the sub level up 3 dB like I usually do, I did wonder in the movie if the "bass drops" were mixed a little light - but it's probably because I'm used to the LFE being bumped up a little (or maybe a combination).
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Update: they are now in place behind the AT screen (have been for a while, just forgot to update the thread), and a couple days ago I finally got around to adding acoustic absorption to my HT, and so I re-ran MCACC auto to get things set up properly. Watched the new Spiderman movie just now, and everything seems just right now - the speakers absolutely disappear, really helps with just enjoying the movie instead of thinking "hey, what was that, maybe I should back it up and listen again, something seems off".
Of course then after the movie I realized that MCACC likes to set them to LARGE, and so I checked the settings, and sure enough the LCR were LARGE - so I guess now I should set them to SMALL and watch the whole movie over again. tongue.gif Actually I also need to remember to bump the sub level up 3 dB like I usually do, I did wonder in the movie if the "bass drops" were mixed a little light - but it's probably because I'm used to the LFE being bumped up a little (or maybe a combination).

So how do you like the Seos-12/DNA-360/JBL2226j compared to the JTR's and LS-6 speakers? I am dying to know how these three pairs of speakers sound compared to each other. Not necessarily asking which sounds the best, as I realize that is subjective. I am just curious as to how they sound on characteristics such as soundstage depth, imaging, detail, revealingness, bass responce, ect.....Congrats on completing the build!
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We'll have to wait for beast to chime in, he has those to compare with
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So how do you like the Seos-12/DNA-360/JBL2226j compared to the JTR's and LS-6 speakers? I am dying to know how these three pairs of speakers sound compared to each other. Not necessarily asking which sounds the best, as I realize that is subjective. I am just curious as to how they sound on characteristics such as soundstage depth, imaging, detail, revealingness, bass responce, ect.....Congrats on completing the build!

Well I have yet to build out my ae td12x/seos/360 setup, but the plan is to capture the best of both the LS6 and the JTR's with it. I was never a big fan of the JTR's f3 being so high, and part of the reason the LS6's kick butt for music is they are flat to 20hz, so with the new build, I want something in between perhaps. The higher xmax value of the x model of 14mm will be a good way to accomplish this in a nice ported box. I am hoping to have the response be pretty flat to around 50hz, maybe lower. I think it is pretty key to have your mains have the ability to extend a good bit below the XO point.

I will certainly have a write-up of how I feel all three sound, but so far, after watching the new batman last night, the JTR's take the cake for movie watching, but I am still dead sold on the ls6's for music listening, they are just so well balanced, and throw a truly immersive soundstage. I do think that if I had a third for a center channel, my opinions might be a little different, as I just am not the biggest fan of the phantom center. The strangest thing happened again last night while watching the movie that I have had happen before, but for some reason the right channel just doesnt seem to perform right. I go in and level-match, to 75dB and then listen to music in 2ch and it sounds fine, then I go to watch a movie and to center the image I had to bump the right channel over 5dB to get it to sound right!! I am quite frustrated with that right now. I quit watching the movie until I could pinpoint what is causing the issue.

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Beastaudio- Are those LS-6 line arrays a DIY design or are they made by a regular speaker manufacture? I have been wanting to try some line arrays in my theater and 2 channel setup for quite some time. I have heard that if you build them right, and use a decent enough driver, then line arrays are hard to beat for both movies and music. I have been considering purchasing the CBT line array from Parts Express, but at $2,000 bucks per pair, they would have to sound pretty damn good for me to make that purchase.
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The ls6 is offered a few different ways these days. The company that built mine out, Av123, is no longer in business, but they only BUILT the ls6's and 9's. A guy named Danny Richie (GR research) was the one who actually designed the speakers. I bought these used but they are a slight upgrade from the normal as they are constructed using birds eye maple, truly beautiful speakers. Nowadays, angel city audio and Selah are building out the kits for folks, and they are pretty stinking pricey. The kits can still be purchased from Danny for about the same price the CBT's are.

The LS6's are certainly done right, and I bought them for a SONG from a guy that just happened to be local ironically enough smile.gif These dudes don't ship too well!!! The only bad part about it, is I need a third for a center channel biggrin.gif

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Selfish bump to keep the thread from being archived - can't believe these have been in operation for 6 months already! Still loving them, thanks again Erich, tuxedocivic, and all the SEOS contributors and builders.
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Selfish bump to keep the thread from being archived - can't believe these have been in operation for 6 months already! Still loving them, thanks again Erich, tuxedocivic, and all the SEOS contributors and builders.

Hey Brad! How are you liking these bad boys after living with them for 6 months? Can you offer any more comparisons or subjective opinions after having lived with them for so long?
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Yeah, I'd love to hear more thoughts as well - especially since 'rilla's SHO-10s are still for sale.
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Hey Brad! How are you liking these bad boys after living with them for 6 months? Can you offer any more comparisons or subjective opinions after having lived with them for so long?

They're outstanding, in particular orchestral sound tracks sound just huge. I've also added broadband acoustic treatments to the room which has helped, and after experimenting with various crossovers, just ended up at 80Hz. How pedestrian. I should solicit some comparisons from others who have visited my theater recently from the LA HT group, who might have some other perspectives or data points to compare to based on what else they've heard.
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Yeah, I'd love to hear more thoughts as well - especially since 'rilla's SHO-10s are still for sale.

I still have a SHO and 2 PROs sitting in the closet (along with 4 PROs still working well as surrounds). Planning on moving the PROs in as heights or wides at some point.
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So how do the SHO-10's compare to these Seos speakers?
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Hi Brad,

Sorry if I missed it, but did you use any toe in at all when you placed them behind the screen?

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Yes, I did toe them in, they fire approximately toward the primary LP or maybe cross slightly in front - basically as much as I could toe in given the space I have behind the screen and the speaker cabinet depth.
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Thanks for the reply Brad.

The reason I ask is because I'm thinking of using some Econowaves in a baffle wall, so was wondering how they would sound being 'flat on' to the LP rather than toe'd in. I'm assuming a baffle wall could still benefit from some toe in so would then think about curving the screenwall along with a curved screen (using an A lens). In your opinion, is the toe in very noticeable compared to being flat?

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Hey Brad, great thread, and build !!!!!! I will be planning out my future system and the SEOS-12 will be a must with a couple 15's. I always rest well when time goes by and we dont hear from the builder after the system is done. That means you are watching movies and most, if not all final tweaking is done. Great details and pics !!!!
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Thanks KG, it was a fun build, and still enjoying the results!
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