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Looks like as a group we were collectively deprived of being able to purchase reasonably priced 18's for too damned long! biggrin.gifI bought 8 of them as well 2 weeks ago
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Would putting 4 dual opposed (1 per corner) of these 18`s yield better results than 4x 21`s? (1 per corner)

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Would putting 4 dual opposed (1 per corner) of these 18`s yield better results than 4x 21`s? (1 per corner)
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Do you own the 21's already? If yes, I'd keep them.

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Do you own the 21's already? If yes, I'd keep them.

wow I`m a little surprised by this....I would`ve thought that 8x 18`s would be better than 4x 21`s.
And yes I already have the 4x 21`s.

Scott, I guess you forgot about my 4x 21`s build thread.
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Would putting 4 dual opposed (1 per corner) of these 18`s yield better results than 4x 21`s? (1 per corner)
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That would likely be no, I would think. 2 of these are comparable to the UXL. You have a 21 inch version of the UXL. You win. lol
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Fatshaft, just going off manufacturer specs, 4 of the ftw 21s net 44L of displacement. 8 of the SI 18s = 43L. Sensitivity would probably be close too but from what josh said of the 18s, they have a very compliant surround which might be more amp friendly depending on enclosure. I'd say the 18s will serve you better the higher you venture into the midbass region so it depends also on the bandwidth you'd like them to cover. My big question is what aren't the 21s doing for you that you wanna venture out?
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wow I`m a little surprised by this....I would`ve thought that 8x 18`s would be better than 4x 21`s.
And yes I already have the 4x 21`s.
Scott, I guess you forgot about my 4x 21`s build thread.

Nope but I did have to confirm. Maybe you had sold them by now? confused.gif *shrugs*

You have four FTW's, amiright? Those are excursion monsters and have larger voicecoils. Per driver, you will have a lot more output. Monster output.

These are nice but not on par with what you have now. I would think that going with eight of these would be more of a lateral move. Now eight LMS-U's.... a whole different story, sir. wink.gif


Nothing wrong with supplementing your quad 21's with more drivers though. I won't discourage that. No way. smile.gif

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Anyone figure out a recommended box volume for these yet? Single and dual opposed

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3-7cuft per driver.

Really depends on how much power you're going to use. 4-5cuft is a nice middle ground.

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1000 watts into each driver. How about if dual opposed?

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Makes no difference being dual-opposed or not. It's the equivalent airspace per driver. That's what you pay attention to.

I'm going to (most likely if I order these) use two 8cuft cabs dual-opposed, four cubic per driver. They will take 1,250w just fine.

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What do you suggest for 1000 watts each then? I'm using a ep4000 per pair

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Well.... I just told ya I'm going 4cuft per driver and that will take 1,250w just fine. wink.gif

Might be a large-ish box for some but you can downsize a bit if you want. I'll be using a ep4000 for mine too but I'll just use one to power four for a while until I can get larger amps.

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Four per driver it is then. Thanks Scott!

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It also helps that Josh tested them in a 4.2cuft sealed cab in his Data-Bass tests. So that way, you can look at the tests and know exactly what to expect at home.

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It also helps that Josh tested them in a 4.2cuft sealed cab in his Data-Bass tests. So that way, you can look at the tests and know exactly what to expect at home.

Scott,

If you're not running into over excursion issues, why wouldn't you build a bigger cab to pick up some low end. These looked like they model much better using the recommended 6cf cab as opposed to the 4.

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Because I built the cab already. wink.gif

That and where I intend to put them..... can't go much larger. You'll see. smile.gif

Also, we are talking about 4 out of 12 18's in a 2,000cuft bedroom HT room. I'll have plenty of low end. biggrin.gif

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Would putting 4 dual opposed (1 per corner) of these 18`s yield better results than 4x 21`s? (1 per corner)
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Really, fatshaft? Really???

So you are looking to upgrade from table walking...



...to what? Table flipping?

I'm with Scott, keep the FTW21's. Add 4 dual oposed cabinets and stack your FTW21's on top... You have a FP10KQ Clone powering the FTW's, right? Throw another one in the mix and that should put you in x8 LMS-U territory...

Do it...

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Hey, why isn't your video working anymore fatshaft?

The fact that fatshaft is even looking at these and contemplating a potential upgrade seriously makes me laugh out loud...
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Scott, I guess you forgot about my 4x 21`s build thread.

Scott didn't forget about your thread bro...

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Thanks Scott...
One thing I'm pretty sure of and mark my words "There's no way I'll be upgrading my subs...EVER!" wink.gif

Scott, please proceed with the "inevitable I told you so" referenced on post 272 of fatshafts thread...

I guess I'm going to have to go back and redact my inital redaction of fatshaft wanting more bass. A double redact!!!

 

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Hey, why isn't your video working anymore fatshaft?

Video works fine in my original thread
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The fact that fatshaft is even looking at these and contemplating a potential upgrade seriously makes me laugh out loud...

Me too, but I have my reasons frown.gif
BTW, I`m not upgrading, so you can`t use that against me...sorry. It`s seems like I`d be downgrading so you see it doesn`t count wink.gif
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I guess I'm going to have to go back and redact my initial redaction of fatshaft wanting more bass. A double redact!!!

Popa, you misread...I`m looking to change the 21`s to the 18`s from SI
Wouldn`t that now be LESS bass?
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Fatshaft, just going off manufacturer specs, 4 of the ftw 21s net 44L of displacement. 8 of the SI 18s = 43L. Sensitivity would probably be close too but from what josh said of the 18s, they have a very compliant surround which might be more amp friendly depending on enclosure. I'd say the 18s will serve you better the higher you venture into the midbass region so it depends also on the bandwidth you'd like them to cover.

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Yeeeaaaahhhh, buuuoyyyy! biggrin.gif
Dude must have lost his 5-finger ring. Weirdly, one of his two watches looks exactly like my Citizen Eco-Drive.

LOL! Nothing like browsing a HT subwoofer thread and finding pictures like this thrown in there. biggrin.gif:cool:
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Hey, why isn't your video working anymore fatshaft?
The fact that fatshaft is even looking at these and contemplating a potential upgrade seriously makes me laugh out loud...

Scott didn't forget about your thread bro...
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Scott, please proceed with the "inevitable I told you so" referenced on post 272 of fatshafts thread...
I guess I'm going to have to go back and redact my inital redaction of fatshaft wanting more bass. A double redact!!!

Ah yes.... I am all knowing in the world of bass. biggrin.gif

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Video works fine in my original thread
Me too, but I have my reasons frown.gif
BTW, I`m not upgrading, so you can`t use that against me...sorry. It`s seems like I`d be downgrading so you see it doesn`t count wink.gif

Yes he did, he`s getting old! biggrin.gif
Popa, you misread...I`m looking to change the 21`s to the 18`s from SI
Wouldn`t that now be LESS bass?

Yeeapp. Gettin' close to 30.



I think that the even mention of a change or addition is telling enough. Fatshaft needs and wants more subs. tongue.gif



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*groan*

Hovering an order form to get nine 18d2's....

I guess I have the rest of the day to think it over. redface.gif

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