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Imagic, the xmech is not 12.5mm, 25mm one way or 50mm (2in) p-p. Xmax (probably measured at 70% Bl) is 12.5mm or I guess 11mm it seems, which is alot closer to the 9.5 I predicted. So 11mm Xmax and 25mm xmech for the Polk and 23mm Xmax and 35mm xmech for the epic which means the epic can probably move more air but at a cost of more money and power. At that price point I would have to go with the Dayton dvc 15. But still the momo is in the realm of the Dayton reference woofers, but probably not at the same level of musicality or distortion. If not much more was available it could be a good option.

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Well, after much thought, I stuck with my original choice, the TC Sounds Epic 12. Ordered it just now. This gives me the flexibility of going dual sub as an upgrade if my room eats this setup alive, lol...

thanks for all the advice, now on to the box building stage...

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FWIW, the Epic 12 models a couple dB more sensitive than the Infinity 120.9 in WinISD Pro, 86.85 dB versus 85.27 dB in the pass band, depending which parameters you take as gospel in the spec sheet.

In a 40L vented box, tuned to 25Hz, they have the same output at 30Hz. that being 105dB with 180 watts applied.

The Epic 12 has a touch more Xmax, though not as much as the spec sheet would leave you to believe. About 3mm.
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"The RMS of the Polk 12" DXi is 360 watts. The Polk MoMo 15" has an RMS of 425 watts. Are you absolutely sure you have the right specs for the MoMo because all these plots which show the MoMo being inefficient seem to be based on numbers that make no sense, including your stated RMS figure."

just working with the polk data.



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Question, with a sealed sub box design, do you line the inside with acoustic dampener AND add polyfill or just polyfill?

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I am interested in this topic. I have never built a speaker, however I have built all cabinets in our house. Are home built speakers less expensive than store bought?

What are the approximate costs of parts?

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I am interested in this topic. I have never built a speaker, however I have built all cabinets in our house. Are home built speakers less expensive than store bought?
What are the approximate costs of parts?
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Here is a parts list.

Box materials
polyfill
connection terminals
bass driver
plate amp if powered
paint and/or finish
speaker grill
ports, if vented
legs

The largest expense for most projects will be the bass driver. The Infinity 120.9 is $130 with shipping. The Epic 12 is $193 with shipping. The rest of the parts vary in price depending on the design.

Either of these drivers should produce excellent bass.

Two 120.9s in a 5 ft^3 vented box tuned to 25Hz driven with 700 watts will produce 116 dB bass down to 30Hz and 109 dB at 20Hz.
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How low will both the Epic and Infinity go down to in a relatively large box? What about a medium sized sealed box?
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How low will both the Epic and Infinity go down to in a relatively large box? What about a medium sized sealed box?
At what SPL?

Any sealed box will play down to 1Hz assuming the upstream electronics don't roll off down there.
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"How low will both the Epic and Infinity go down to in a relatively large box? What about a medium sized sealed box?"

calculating the volume displaced will give you some idea of their relative performance down low.

sd * xmax * 2

sd is typically listed in cm^2

xmax is typically listed in mm, so divide xmax by 10 in order to convert to cm.

the product will be in cm^3, also known as cubic centimeters or cc. then divide by 1000 to convert to liters as there are 1000 cc in a liter.

so if you have a driver with 500cm^2 sd and 20mm xmax, multiply 500 * (20/10) * 2 = 500 * 2.0 *2 = 500 * 4 = 2000 cm^3. 2000cm^3 / (1000cc/liter) = 2000/1000 liters = 2 liters of displacement.

most folks report swept volume in liters.

it just so happens that 1 liter of swept volume is what is required, roughly, to create 100db at 20hz.

each time that you double swept volume, add 6db.

that should get you started.

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Well, I know a lot of people had different advice about what speaker and amp to use, but I think the Epic 12" is a pretty bad-ass sub and I'm excited to see what it can do.

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Would a Crown XLS-202 work better than a Behringer iNuke 1000 for powering a front treo or subwoofer(s)?
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With no box building skills Sono tube sub is the easiest to build. Do a search for Sonotube sub. A sealed sub is the easiest to build . You will likely find exact directions to build one. Search for sub design software there are several freeware on the net.
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Question, with a sealed sub box design, do you line the inside with acoustic dampener AND add polyfill or just polyfill?

For sealed boxes, just go get a big roll of R11 or R13 fiberglass insulation. Cheap, effective, and you'll never notice the difference between it and something more expensive that's specifically designed for speakers.

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With no box building skills Sono tube sub is the easiest to build. Do a search for Sonotube sub. A sealed sub is the easiest to build . You will likely find exact directions to build one. Search for sub design software there are several freeware on the net.
Yes, but based on his posts he can't accommodate a tall subwoofer.
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Does anyone have a recommendation for a room calibration package, that comes with mic and software, so once I get my sub ready I can take measurements? Would ARC 2 work for a home setup?

Although I might not need a mic, I have a Digital Sound Level Meter, from Intellisafe Smart Sensor, model AR824...is that a good one? I got it from an estate cleanout...doesn't have the foam windsock though...
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You should probably consider the two amps to be the same for all practical purposes as far as RMS wattage. The Crown is all metal and very 'pro' looking, the iNuke is made of plastic but really delivers the goods in terms of power per $. It has no issues with sine waves in the single digits and any other bass torutre test you throw at it. Just make sure you don't exceed the minimum rated impedance (2 ohms on the 1000).
Man, amazon has new 3000DSP iNukes for less than three sixty shipped...that would just about do me right, that's enough wattage to cover my future upgrade to two Epics. At 2 x 880 Watts into 4 Ohms, that would push two Epic 12's nicely. Or, I can wire in parallel to present a 2 ohm load per Epic, correct? That would give me 1500 watts x 2...that's good headroom.

EDIT: nevermind, if I wired parallel it would be a 1 ohm load per speaker.

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And for amps, your can get a USA made 1 kw amp for about $300 shipped. Buy the Behringer dsp separately so that if it bites the dust it doesn't take your amp with it.

http://www.carvinguitars.com/products/HD1000
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Just got my Epic 12...biggrin.gif





This thing is SOLID! I want to say it is at least as heavy as my SoloBaric L712s...nice big magnet and solid metal basket...I love that new speaker smell!

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I know I love them. Definitely the most potent 12" I've ever had. The thing I love about them is the play soooo clean up high, they give me that nice punch in the chest that alot other subs havn't been able to give me. don't be afraid to cross it high, even Jeff Bagby likes it enough to pair it with his continuum design.

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And for amps, your can get a USA made 1 kw amp for about $300 shipped. Buy the Behringer dsp separately so that if it bites the dust it doesn't take your amp with it.
http://www.carvinguitars.com/products/HD1000

I have been looking for an affordable Made in the USA pro amp. I am planning to go with a CA9 by Crest Audio or one of the US built Crown / QSC amps. I like the Carvin prices, roughly the same as Behringer, but worry about the quality. No one seems to use them on any of the boards.

That is one sweet looking 12" driver, I wonder how low 8 sealed boxes would go with room gain in a moderately sized basement HT (concrete and drywall).

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I have been looking for an affordable Made in the USA pro amp. I am planning to go with a CA9 by Crest Audio or one of the US built Crown / QSC amps. I like the Carvin prices, roughly the same as Behringer, but worry about the quality. No one seems to use them on any of the boards.

Yeah, I still can't make up my mind whether or not to return this Dayton to get an amp with DSP and more headroom or just keep this one (it's a good amp from what I've read) and sell it when I go dual sub and use that as an excuse to get a 3k-watter and just run both subs off of one rack amp.
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That is one sweet looking 12" driver, I wonder how low 8 sealed boxes would go with room gain in a moderately sized basement HT (concrete and drywall).

I've been able to be pretty patient so far but now that I have the amp and speaker sitting here staring me in the face, I'm gettin' antsy to crank this baby up and smell those coils getting toasty on some 30 hz sine waves...

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QSC & Crown are great. I come from a bass guitar background w/ speaker building, guitar building, and amplification and Carvin is a well known brand there. I've not used that amp, though I've used other Carvin stuff. I don't see them mentioned here either, so I'm just throwing it out there as an option. Options are good.
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I have been looking for an affordable Made in the USA pro amp. I am planning to go with a CA9 by Crest Audio or one of the US built Crown / QSC amps. I like the Carvin prices, roughly the same as Behringer, but worry about the quality. No one seems to use them on any of the boards.
That is one sweet looking 12" driver, I wonder how low 8 sealed boxes would go with room gain in a moderately sized basement HT (concrete and drywall).

Yes, that 12 is a beast! You missed the 15" DVC Dayton about a week ago when it was the deal of the day though. I scored one for $116 after their 5 off coupon and it will be going into a 6cu ft 17hz box. Looking forward to pics when you start making sawdust.
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OK FWIW here's my solution to your problem... as in here's something I did, for cheap and with zero effort - and it worked:
Polk MoMo 15" $129.95 - Here's a 15" with 91db efficiency for $129.95. That's less than 1/2 the power to reach any given volume vs. the TC or the Dayton and a price you cannot beat. I've tortured that driver and it holds up to intense sequences and plays really low. Craftsmanship is impeccable, the MoMo is not a driver that will fail due to a design of workmanship flaw.
Atrend sealed box 60 liters $72 - http://www.citizenshop.org/products/49940/
Stuff a pillow's worth of poly in the box, mount the driver, wire it up, run your EQ and you are done. WinISD has you getting about 105.5db under the same conditions that yielded 100db for the TC 12", which makes sense because of the higher efficiency and the larger displacement. In-room you should pass 110db with this under-$250 passive sub. Mind you it is covered in gray carpet which I know is frowned upon, but one polk 15" MoMo is worth (just about) 4 of the epics and I can definitely recommend the driver based on personal experience.smile.gif
Here's the MoMo flexing:

I use that subwoofer but svc. Absolutely love it.
I paired it with a Crown XLS 1000 I found on sale for $200.
It a great cheap combo.

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"Your comparison also ignores the effect of the 20hz HPF necessary to protect the driver in the ported box."
yes. i was comparing native frequency responses. if he goes with a plate amp, he is probably going to end up with a high pass filter with the sealed too.
here they are again with a 2nd order highpass at 20hz w/ a 350 watt plate amp.
edit: if the amp is actually 540 watts, here is what you get (no overexcursion in either enclosure):

nice looking curves..im trying simulate similar curves here.. wanna help me out by telling size's of vent ? =) (because i cannot get even close to yours..)
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OK so here's the part where my brain freezes and blood starts shooting out of my eyeballs.

Going to do a 3.33 cu ft dual port enclosure. According to Bass Box Pro 6 I'll get 107db at 20hz with it maxing out at 117db at 35hz with input power of 500 watts. Box tuned to 25hz.



Going to keep it minimalist in appearance and get some dark black carpet from Joanne Fabrics, along with a 5 lb bag of polyfil. I have a countersink and 1 5/8" wood screws. I have a 6' long 1 x 4 for bracing.

  • I have the industrial strength spray adhesive (8 freakin' bucks at HD) for the carpet, is that sufficient?
  • I figure that, barring any room correction which would require a cut, I can set boost eq to 22hz at like +3db and .5 Q to get a little more and it should sound pretty good, right?
  • What kind of paint do I use for PVC ports?
  • Using DAP Fast Dry Acrylic Latex Caulk Plus Silicon for joint sealers is that good or would going with hot glue be better?
  • If hot glue, is there a difference in glue sticks or will any stick work?
  • Wood putty for screw holes, correct?
  • Do I need to sand at all if I'm just going to use carpet on the outside?
  • Can I use MDF to brace joints or is solid wood recommended?
  • Can I get away with just one crossbeam? If so, which direction? From side to side?
  • What should be the order of my steps?
  • Does flush mount make an audible difference from face mounted?
  • Should I glue in between each piece or just seal the box after I screw it together?
  • When do I put the carpet on, before or after the box is put together, etc?


I don't want to, like, put the box together and glue it only to find I need to brace all the joints...

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Why are you tuning to 25Hz instead of 20?
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Why are you tuning to 25Hz instead of 20?

I was just playing around with the numbers within the framework of the space requirements and this seemed like a good combo...did I err?

Tuning to 20 gives me 1 more db at 20.2 hz...not much difference.

Now, if I have a 5 band graphic EQ on my 609, I can boost 20hz on there and also use the parametric on the sub and I bet I can get +110db at 20 hz, right?

The good thing is it looks like I can use just one 4' x 8' sheet of MDF, since they're like $33 bucks a sheet, and still have enough left over for several mistakes.

I think my next purchase after the box is complete is going to be a room EQ system.

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Tune lower, you don't want that huge knee and you don't want to add any boost. If you use a plate amp you'll want to tune right around the roll off of the amplifier. Otherwise you could have issues with over excursion.

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Does you modeling take into account the excursion limits of that driver?

All the T/S parameters for the Epic 12" were entered into the equation.
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, I'm wondering if you are really going to be able to hit 107db at 20Hz. I hope you do, but one of the main principles behind LLT design is keeping the port tuned below the lowest frequency you wish to reproduce.

OK let me reconfigure with port tuning at like 19hz...there should be a subsonic filter on the Dayton at 19hz in -3db steps but I don't want to over-extend the driver...

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