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My aims:

To sound good at everything from quiet volumes(late night use), to medium volumes(general use) to pretty loud volumes(sometimes).

Total budget £500 max for the drivers,"wood"(MDF),passive crossovers and the amp.

The bass drivers would need to be the pa type as I much prefer the sound of cloth edged drivers to give that rough sound as I don't like too smooth or clinical clean sounding bass on those types of music give for the kind of music(which rubber or foam surround would give).
I play mostly, which is roots reggae, dub, digital reggae, dancehall, dnb, old skool jungle, although I do play other types of music I play the ones listed THE MOST.

First the amp, I want to avoid a normal intergrated hifi amp due to the very power they put out which would give weak low bass.

And buy something like the Behringer A500 which puts out 2x 230w rms into 4 ohms (fanless convection cooled amp) for £156.

Pa bass drivers to get low enough(can always add a sub if needed later though), without being too expensive and too large is the tricky one....

First the tweeters, either these:
Monacor RBT-95SQ Hi-Fi Ribbon Tweeter 30w rms/4.5-22khz/98db, £22 each
or this silk dome tweeter: Number One DT-80 HiFi Dome Tweeter, 45w rms/3.5khz-16khz, 97db £16 each

Mids to make cabinet design much easier would be better if they had sealed back like the:
Celestion Truvox TF0615MR 6 inch, 50w rms, 500hz-5khz, 97db sens, £24 each.
Or if it sounds much better I can get hold of Beyma Mi-80 6 inch mids rated 100w rms, 98 sens with a phase plug in them for £35 each used.

Bass drivers, I'll ONLY as stated above want to go for drivers with a corrugated cloth surround for that ragged pa bass sound, which foam and rubber surrounds don't give for the type of music I listen to mainly.
Most cheaper pa bass drivers don't have big xmax, but after searching for a bit, I found one that does.
Beyma SM212 looks like a great 12 inch to go for as it has 7mm xmax, has an fs of 40hz, frequency range down to 45hz, sens of 98db and is £76 each.

But then I'd need the Eminence PX-LPAD rated 100w rms for £16 to lower the sensitivity of the mid and high drivers to match the bass driver....

If I went for this

Crossovers I'd probably use these:
Beyma 3VHIFI 3 way crossovers meant for hifi/studio monitors, £45 each.
http://www.bluearan.co.uk/index.php?id=BMA3VHIFI&browsemode=category

What could I tune the enclosures to if the Beyma SM212 has an fs of 40hz, would it kill the driver to tune it to 40hz, or better tuning it to 45hz?
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"The bass drivers would need to be the pa type as I much prefer the sound of cloth edged drivers to give that rough sound as I don't like too smooth or clinical clean sounding bass on those types of music give for the kind of music(which rubber or foam surround would give)."

what are you talking about?

"What could I tune the enclosures to if the Beyma SM212 has an fs of 40hz, would it kill the driver to tune it to 40hz, or better tuning it to 45hz?"

no, it would not kill it. 40hz is the tuning frequency beyma used on the cut sheet.

the big problem here is that you can't just randomly select 3 drivers, a generic crossover, an lpad, hook it all together and expect good results.

you have to consider the impedances of the drivers around the crossover points or the slopes will be at different points than you think. the frequency responses of the drivers need to sum correctly (a generic crossover presumes ruler flat frequency response starting out and that is definitely not what you have).

http://www.beyma.fr/3v%20hifi.pdf

http://www.fort777.co.za/images/Datasheets/AMK25G.pdf

http://profesional.beyma.com/pdf/SM-212E.pdf

just looking at the components, i wouldn't be surprised if you ended up with 5-10db swings through the midrange. that will be no good. you will have spent all your money and what will you do then?

much better results can be achieved with one of the seos diy kits with optimized crossovers or something similar.
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Yeah I see 3 way might be quite an issue around an off shelf crossover and those 3 drivers.

But I do NOT like the sound that a foam or rubber surround gives for those types of music I play often.
As a pa type woofer has a much tighter suspension to suit the kind of music I listen to.

So after looking for a while online, maybe the 2PI towers would be the solution for me?

Cheap to build, which use Eminence Alpha 10 inch pa woofers, Vifa dome tweeters, kept simple by being a 2 way design and easy to make crossover network.
And hopefully give the bass extension I'm looking for as they are towers....

Also I don't use an ipod, I play music from vinyl and cd.

If I could afford it I'd get a valve amp, as I much prefer the sound of valves over transistors. Especially the KT88 type.
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you might also consider this one:
http://www.diysoundgroup.com/forum/index.php?topic=10.0

but build the box as a tower and port it medium low.

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you might also consider this one:
http://www.diysoundgroup.com/forum/index.php?topic=10.0
but build the box as a tower and port it medium low.

Still the WRONG type of suspension/surround for the type of music I listen to mostly. A corrugated treated paper or linen surround gives really tight bass. Whereas foam or rubber surrounds do NOT.

Something like JBL 2226 would be perfect as they sound great and not crap like the cheap pa speakers usually do, but are way too expensive for me.
So maybe the P.audio copies would be ok.


Or the 2Pi speakers that use the Eminence Alpha 10 inch pa woofers, however they ain't good drivers imo, certainly wouldn't have much xmax.

I don't want the music such as reggae I listen to most to sound clinical clean and too hifi,as it needs a bit of harmonic distortion on the bass end, but don't want the whole spectrum to sound low-fi either. In between basically. Mids and highs have to sound clean, bass needs that ragged bit of harmonic distortion.

This is basically the kind of thing I'm after, yes back to my original 3 way idea:

http://francois.mastroiannidiy.pagesperso-orange.fr/_seville.htm#photos
http://francois.mastroiannidiy.pagesperso-orange.fr/_Historique.htm

Or this: http://en.audiofanzine.com/tweeter-compression-driver/beyma/CP21F/medias/pictures/a.play,m.130818.html

But I only got 1 Beyma 15K200, so if I can find another one it would be great, or use different drivers in a slightly different design.

Or better yet, this all in one cabinet: Adire HE12.1 http://cognitivevent.com/av_he12.html Plus it uses a 12 inch co-axial driver with tweeter, which is fairly cheap to buy as well.
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oh, i gotcha. harmonic distortion doesn't come from the type of surround though. it comes from exceeding the xmax of the driver.

the 2226h is pretty clean and won't produce the distortion that you are looking for.

that sucker will play over 120db at 50hz before any detectable distortion sets in.

it sounds like you are looking for something more like a guitar speaker with near zero xmax or a distortion pedal such as the aphex xciter.

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But I do NOT like the sound that a foam or rubber surround gives for those types of music I play often.
As a pa type woofer has a much tighter suspension to suit the kind of music I listen to.
In a sense, this is a chicken or egg argument. It's not the type of suspension that gives you the sound you want, its that the types of drivers oriented for big deep bass, have large roll rubber/foam surrounds. What you're looking for is good mid-bass reproduction which doesn't require much xmax, but instead high efficiency, and thus why the folded paper suspensions are used. Because large rolled surrounds are unnecessary.

To relate this to cars, it's like saying you don't like the handling of vehicle X because it has BFGoodrich mud terrains, when in fact it has poor handling not because of the tires, but because it's a lifted 3/4ton pickup truck.

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I think you need to have both types of woofer surround profiles in order to get the best of both worlds. But you have the right idea in starting with low-profiles first IMO.

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Maybe this would work:

A decent dome tweeter,planar or ribbon tweeter, or small decent(non harsh) sounding compression horn tweeter.

This driver:
http://www.usspeaker.com/rcf%20-%20L8S800-1.htm

RCF L8S800, whilst having a corrugated linen surround it also has a carbon fiber cone, 5.8mm xmax, and cast frame, HUGE magnet.


I found someone on youtube using exactly what I'm thinking of building:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsV5xhCpukM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzrIdZNtH-c


And for the really deep bass bass part I'm trying to get maybe use a Peerless XLS10 driver with the Peerless XLS10P passive radiator.
Or there's an Eminence Lab 12 I can get for £90 from a store which is ex-demo if it's any better.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKjveCxCIMc Really nice vid of a Peerless sub in a ported enclosure driven by a plate amp.
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Maybe this would work:
A decent dome tweeter,planar or ribbon tweeter, or small decent(non harsh) sounding compression horn tweeter.
This driver:
http://www.usspeaker.com/rcf%20-%20L8S800-1.htm
RCF L8S800, whilst having a corrugated linen surround it also has a carbon fiber cone, 5.8mm xmax, and cast frame, HUGE magnet.
I found someone on youtube using exactly what I'm thinking of building:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsV5xhCpukM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzrIdZNtH-c
And for the really deep bass bass part I'm trying to get maybe use a Peerless XLS10 driver with the Peerless XLS10P passive radiator.
Or there's an Eminence Lab 12 I can get for £90 from a store which is ex-demo if it's any better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKjveCxCIMc Really nice vid of a Peerless sub in a ported enclosure driven by a plate amp.

You basically linked a 2 way similar to what LTD posted above.
The SEOS designs with the Delta 2512 or other 12" woofers will probably outperform what that 8" driver can do.
Not to mention you'll have to design your own x-over which Bill has already done in this case.

Another design is the 4PI. I just finished a pair. It uses the 2226H that LTD was also talking about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glPjs73hpvU
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You might want to look at the Zaph|Audio SB12.3 from Madisound. They don't go as low as true subs but provide plenty of bass above 35Hz or so.
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You basically linked a 2 way similar to what LTD posted above.
The SEOS designs with the Delta 2512 or other 12" woofers will probably outperform what that 8" driver can do.
Not to mention you'll have to design your own x-over which Bill has already done in this case.
Another design is the 4PI. I just finished a pair. It uses the 2226H that LTD was also talking about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glPjs73hpvU

Both of them are expensive drivers out of my price range. The JBL are really expensive.

I can get the RCF L8S800 cheaper on bluearan and an additional special discount on them.

Or could make the 2PI towers(cheaper to make, as they use the Eminence Alpha 10 mid/bass with Vifa dome tweeters) with a sub with either the Eminence Lab 12 (£90) special offer on bluearan or £90 for the Peerless XLS10.
And this plate amp:
http://www.europe-audio.com/Product.asp?Product_ID=11350
It's 300w rms into 4 ohms or 150w rms into 8 ohms, so would give about 200w rms into 6 ohms to power the 6 ohm Eminence Lab 12.
Or this plate amp: http://www.bkelec.com/Modules/bsbp200.htm
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You might want to look at the Zaph|Audio SB12.3 from Madisound. They don't go as low as true subs but provide plenty of bass above 35Hz or so.

Looks good, but still want a pa type surround on the mid-bass as it won't give me the desired sound I want otherwise. And I don't think you can get Madisound speakers in the UK....

As I want a really tight chest thumping bass on the mid/bass for reggae, but also have decent sub lows and good sounding highs. I find hifi drivers for mid/bass on reggae sound too smooth and/or don't give that harmonic distortion/ragged sound I'm after.

I used to have some large-ish 3 way pa speakers in my room at one point, whilst the highs on them where way too harsh out of a compression driver and horn(would be ok in a large hall or outside, but deafeningly harsh in the bedroom). The bass was just spot on and chest kicking whilst being deep out of a 15 inch driver, the mids weren't bad being an 8 inch.
So would like the highs and mids to sound hifi or near hifi, and the lows to sound pa, if that's possible... Without spending too much.

I've had hifi speakers in the past, I either didn't like the sound of when I play reggae and music like dnb through them. Or the bass cones got destroyed completely by bottoming out and going over-excursion.
Had drivers as large as 12 inches on big Jamo's and still managed to mechanically or thermally damage the bass cones. Whilst they didn't sound right on the bass either, too smooth/clean sounding. And the mids and highs were rubbish sounding on them as they were cheap-ish speakers.

This kind of thing I'm aiming for:
http://lsv-achenbach.de/images/lautsprecher/eigene/duett/duett_roh.jpg

As long as the horn compression driver isn't harsh or deafeningly loud.

Or these:
http://en.audiofanzine.com/tweeter-compression-driver/beyma/CP21F/medias/pictures/a.play,m.130814.html

I already got 1x Beyma 15K200, would need to find another one, or hunt down different suitable drivers for that...
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"I find hifi drivers for mid/bass on reggae sound too smooth and/or don't give that harmonic distortion/ragged sound I'm after."

i still have no idea what you are talking about, but if you want to build something like the speaker in the link that you posted,

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1417294/seos12-2512-build

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"I find hifi drivers for mid/bass on reggae sound too smooth and/or don't give that harmonic distortion/ragged sound I'm after."
i still have no idea what you are talking about, but if you want to build something like the speaker in the link that you posted,
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1417294/seos12-2512-build

Cheers for the link, would the sealed design make a difference to ported that I'm used to for the type of music I play?

As I heard sealed takes much more amplifier power compared to ported, but goes lower. But as the drivers are high sensitivity and high-ish wattage, I guess in a home environment, a sealed design doesn't matter?
Or would it with the type of music I play?
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i would definitely go ported for your purpose and make the cabs a little larger.

here is the driver in 4 cubic feet tuned to 38hz. two 4 inch diameter ports that are 9 inches long would do it.

the drivers and crossovers would not need any modification.


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Something similar to the SEOS speaker mentioned.... A 4PI speaker with the Mod in this thread. I'm running a pair and they are unreal good.

I love the 15" JBL 2225H.

Or build a pair of 4 PI exact to Waynes design... When you have some more $$ then build the needed flanking subs.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1238362/wayne-parhams-pi-4-build-thread/120
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Wrong, harmonic distortion has nothing to do with driver Xmax exceeded, the only thing to blame there is the amplifier as harmonic distortion is the distortion of the input signal in the amplifier.
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Wrong, harmonic distortion has nothing to do with driver Xmax exceeded, the only thing to blame there is the amplifier as harmonic distortion is the distortion of the input signal in the amplifier.
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Harmonic distortion has everything to do with xmax. When using Klippel Analysis it defines it, xmax being 10% THD. While running speakers to xmax and beyond with the intent of achieving high THD isn't generally a goal with hi-fi and HT systems, it's common with musical instruments and PA.
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Before you spend money and time on building something and possibly not being happy with the outcome, do some reading around these parts. I feel you are blindly deciding on using a woofer with a paper surround but you need to understand that paper surrounds are generally used with speakers that don't have lots of xmax. If you want to be able to reproduce the sounds of dub and other bass heavy music cleanly and without distortion you may want to reconsider.
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Before you spend money and time on building something and possibly not being happy with the outcome, do some reading around these parts. I feel you are blindly deciding on using a woofer with a paper surround but you need to understand that paper surrounds are generally used with speakers that don't have lots of xmax. If you want to be able to reproduce the sounds of dub and other bass heavy music cleanly and without distortion you may want to reconsider.
+1. Along that same line it seems he's far too hung up on the type of music he's playing. Accurate response is accurate response, no matter what the musical genre.

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I try to stay out of threads like this. I got stuck this time and man does my brain hurt. I just wanted to say I appreciate the patience and guidance from the contributors.

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is there a particular aspect that is confusing and causing your cephalalgia?

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"I got stuck this time and man does my brain hurt."
is there a particular aspect that is confusing and causing your cephalalgia?

In the past I to have found myself caught up with a particular products design feature which inherently limited my vision for the possibilities as well as limiting the pool of viable products. All the while my issue was perception, not performance. The reason I try to stay out of threads like this is my relative lack of experience and me not wanting to come across negatively in response to another persons journey. One thing I have learned from others on this forum is to be open to alternate solutions. When I see others in the same position, I am grateful for the contributors here with the experience I lack and the patience to try and guide me through a place they have already been.

I should have posted that the first time. smile.gif

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