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post #901 of 925 Old 07-07-2016, 11:45 PM - Thread Starter
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Emotiva gave me the specs on the fuses. Gonna try and find some replacement ones at the local hardware stores.
If not, they will have to ship me two new ones.

If they immediately blow after installation or the SQ is in any way impacted, then I'll be asking Emotiva to fix it under warranty.
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Wasn't able to find them locally.

Emotiva is shipping them to me now. Hopefully they will be here by the end of next week.
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Here is some internals while we wait.








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I tried connecting my HTPC optical spdif 96khz to my DEQ2496, in by-pass mode, to AES to the 3 DCX's.

This gives me 97% of the SQ that the 105/XSP-1 combo had.*

If I use the DEQ's analog outs it doesn't sound nearly as good!

If I use my Xonar through a cleanbox it sounds even worse!

You don't know what you had, until it's gone!

*Some things it does better, some times it's overly bright, but overall there is a very subtle amount of detail that is lost.
How that's possible I'm not really sure since the DAC in the DCX is non-defeatable and the 105/XSP-1 is forced to go through the DCX's AD step in addition to that. WEIRD!

The good news is that for a mere fraction of the cost of a 105/XSP-1, like 1/10th, you could still get 97% of the SQ by simply using a DEQ SPDIF/AES transcoder!

I could only distinquish a difference because I've spent years listening to various songs in my system.
Had they been new songs or had I not had the 105/XSP-1 combo I would NEVER be able to detect a bit of difference. It's really THAT close.

So if you use the DCX's AES connection, you are gonna get a pretty-HiFi signal coming out the XLR's. (Confirmed!)
I can't speak for other boxes, but the DEQ in by-pass mode is potentially 100% transparent in SPDIF to AES mode. (Confirmed!)

I should probably buy an Optical USB cable, I really don't want the Oppo killing my HTPC!!!
Or by rare chance, an amp going bad and taking out the entire system (not much I could do about that one!)
Optically isolation XLR...? NAH Horrible idea!

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I experienced D-box and Atmos for the first time today. Went and saw Tarzan in 3D.

Maybe it was just the crappy speakers, but I couldn't hear much Atmos effects in Tarzan.
The leaf demo at the start was cool, but that's about it...
They had 18 ceiling speakers and about another 18 surround speakers, in addition to whatever was hiding behind the walls and screen.
Having heard the Leaf demo many times at home in 7.1, I can know understand what Atmos offers.

I must say the AVX seats are about 4 times more comfortable than the D-box red seats.
I really enjoyed the concept of D-box, especially when the
Spoiler!
, my god the seat almost ripped me in half (SWEET!!!), D-box really made this movie about 10x better, but the seats were horribly uncomfortable! (About as bad as the classic theater seats.)

D-box really needs to work on their seat comfortability, I don't think I'd go for D-box a 2nd time, just because of that.

I looked it up and you can get D-box at home for $7000 for 1 seat and $11k for 2. So not very practical...

The power recline seats I have at home are still a million times more comfortable than even AVX seats.
Add some buttkickers and you have a good amount of the premium theater experience, for almost no money at all. (Sure the chair won't move, but it will vibrate at least.)

I think Atmos would be more noticeable at home, where the distance to the speaker is smaller and the THD is lower, and the general noisefloor/dynamic range is greater.

If I had to pick I'd choose in this order:
1) ultra comfortable power-recline seats (extremely important)
2) buttkickers (value-add)
3) atmos (value-add)

At least I now know where to concentrate most of my money firstly.

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I opened the Oppo prior to shipping it off. The 3 large caps on the 2-ch DAC board exploded and leaked fluid on the surrounding diodes.

The inside of the XSP-1 is still in good shape (visually at least), probably because of the fuses. It doesn't look like anything in the XSP-1 exploded.

My rotel amp was connected directly to the Oppo surround channels, and only 2 of the amp channels got killed. The rotel output stage survived, but the input board got nuked.

The rotel wasn't connected to the Oppo 2-ch DAC board, my DCX's were though, and they survived (somehow...)
Those DCX's must have received quite a good zap, I'm surprised they survived. They were the only things keeping my amplifiers and speakers from death!

It's entirely possible that the XSP-1 is to blame for the Oppo's death, as that it too was connected to the 2-ch DAC board.
I simply don't know which was the cause or effect.
Me thinks Oppo is to blame though, I just can't (and never will be) able to prove it...

I'm just glad that the damage wasn't worse. I'd hate it if my HD800 headphones got nuked or my DIY speakers and subs, or iTech and FP clones!!!
Those LMS's and amplifiers and headphones aren't cheap, that's like at least $25,000 worth of "stuff".
The Oppo, XSP-1 and DCX's are cheap by comparison.

The 3 most expensive things in my room are my B&W speakers ($6000), then HTPC ($4000), then iTech ($2500).
The rest is all ~$1000 or less, per any given component...

The LMS's are basically "priceless" at this point.
The rest of the gear could be replaced, it is only a matter of paying for it (of course.)

I have home owners insurance $600k coverage, which would cover: fire, flooding and theft.
I get 1 free forgiveness, so I'm reluctant to use it unless I absolutely had to!
Even if my entire system blew up, I still don't think I'd play that card. I'd just live with the loss, as the structures are worth more than the electronics by at least 5x.

Why do you need such a powerful PC in your theater? I would have thought that an I5 and probably integrated graphics would be about all that is need for HTPC use, maybe a sound card but i am pretty sure that you have the DAC and DSP covered outside of the machine LOL.
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Emotiva gave me the specs on the fuses. Gonna try and find some replacement ones at the local hardware stores.
If not, they will have to ship me two new ones.

If they immediately blow after installation or the SQ is in any way impacted, then I'll be asking Emotiva to fix it under warranty.
Man that sucks the Oppo killed your stuff, since the oppo took so much other equipment with it without any written disclaimers against other damages should they not still be held liable? But, i guess they can hide behind their warranty eh?
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Man that sucks the Oppo killed your stuff, since the oppo took so much other equipment with it without any written disclaimers against other damages should they not still be held liable? But, i guess they can hide behind their warranty eh?
Well $hit happens. It's not like I could take them to court over it, and win.
Besides, small claims court would take FOREVER, and the lawyers would just take all my money if I won or lost anyways...
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Why do you need such a powerful PC in your theater?
For playing porn in 4K 3D VR per eye @ 100fps. LOL

I was thinking of going with a fanless NUC computer, like this: http://www.logicsupply.com/ml100g-10/ and then just adding an external SSD NAS when I need more TB's.
Then I could just leave the beast computer off completely until I absolutely-needed the extra horsepower for a task.

It would probably save me about $250 a year just as a lowered power-bill alone.
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Well $hit happens. It's not like I could take them to court over it, and win.
Besides, small claims court would take FOREVER, and the lawyers would just take all my money if I won or lost anyways...
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For playing porn in 4K 3D VR per eye @ 100fps. LOL

I was thinking of going with a fanless NUC computer, like this: http://www.logicsupply.com/ml100g-10/ and then just adding an external SSD NAS when I need more TB's.
Then I could just leave the beast computer off completely until I absolutely-needed the extra horsepower for a task.

It would probably save me about $250 a year just as a lowered power-bill alone.
Lawyers tend to have that affect LOL

As for the NUC you should check out the new intel NUC http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=REG&A=details

apparently pretty decent performance for something that small, i have the 6700K right now and can definitely vouch for the full size chip, not too sure about the smaller downgraded one :P

VR porn... definitely health benefits
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I got a notification that the 105 is just starting repair as of this morning.

The new fuses for the XSP-1 are on their way. But instead of flying them North-West they flew them South-East. So now they need to fly 2700miles. That is the absolute furthest and slowest possible flight path and the most unoptimal one. (YAY!)

If I'm lucky the fuses will be here by Friday, otherwise Monday.
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They just told me that the damage appears to be limited to just the 2-ch board on the Oppo.
They are replacing it soon and will know at that point for sure, and that it should be shipped back to me as soon as the re-certification of all functionality passes successfully.
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I replaced Yamaha CX-A5000 and miniDSP with Lynx Aurora 16 and JRiver. Have not looked back, but do not have a need for digital sources, atmos or dts:x though.

Sound quality and control over DSP-filters are much better however. I use all 16 channels for my active setup. Recommended if you can live without the short comings of not having a prepro.

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They updated the tracker. The fuses should be here Monday, or Tuesday at the latest.

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I replaced Yamaha CX-A5000 and miniDSP with Lynx Aurora 16 and JRiver. Have not looked back, but do not have a need for digital sources, atmos or dts:x though.
Sound quality and control over DSP-filters are much better however. I use all 16 channels for my active setup. Recommended if you can live without the short comings of not having a prepro.
I'm gonna be doing a similar solution with Motu 24's in the future.
But I want Atmos/DTSX and many multi-way actives, so I need both a pre/pro and the Motu's.

To me XLR is very important. All my amps are pro amps, they only accept XLR. Authentic balanced-XLR is the way to go for sure. No converter cables for me!
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I'm gonna be doing a similar solution with Motu 24's in the future.
But I want Atmos/DTSX and many multi-way actives, so I need both a pre/pro and the Motu's.

To me XLR is very important. All my amps are pro amps, they only accept XLR. Authentic balanced-XLR is the way to go for sure. No converter cables for me!
LOL, a couple of them Nice. Can't do anything half way. One of the reasons why I skipped the prepro was to keep the signal digital for as long as possible and no extra AD/DA conversions in the chain. I guess that's the price we have to pay for Atmos and DTS:X, at least for now.

Haha, yes, I know what you mean. Lynx is using DB25 connectors to fit all those balanced output channels on a 1U unit, so I ended up having to make two DB25->XLR male, and I can assure you that soldering those DB25 connectors were no fun. Next time I'll crimp them instead.

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The fuses have arrived in town but haven't attempted delivery yet.
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I put the fuses in and now the XSP-1 works as good as new. They seem to have done their job.

No status update on the Oppo repair.
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So they put a brand new 2-ch board in the Oppo... and the thing STILL won't boot up they said!

It really fried itself good.
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Silly that they don't just send out a refurb.
Yeah it is kinda silly...
Also silly that they don't have a 5 year warranty!
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Well, forget this technology garbage, I'm going camping for 2 weeks, in the Cascades. Base camp is 1/2mile above sea-level, and the top of that mountain is 1.5miles above sea-level. (No rock climbing for me though!)
If I die in a snow/mud slide or bear HappyMeal, then I guess this is goodbye!
There is no internet and no bars on the phone here. Radio blackout from the mountains.
I won't be back until mid-august. My Oppo better be fixed by then or I'm gonna wig out! hehe
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haha, in less than 12 hours of me posting that... someone tried to hack my google account via the hacked avs data.

But they underestimated me...

I know you have a Nokia cellphone, running Symbian 9.4
I know your ISP is Cogent.
I know you live in Wichita Kansas.
I know that you use IBM BackICE PC Protection IDS.
I know that you have 8 open holes in your internet access point.
I even scanned the whole Tor deepweb network to see if you are hosting an Exit Relay, YES I know how to do that dumb dumb!
http://download.cnet.com/BlackICE-PC...-10040175.html



I now know lots about you, and you know nothing about me.
Besides... that account is only used for silly things like AVS and YT. You'd gain no intel. All of my registered account info is fake, only a fool would register real PI. DUR!!!
I could really bring you to your knees if I wanted to, but I'll play nice since it's your first offence.

You probably don't want to mess with me at all, I worked for years in a classified Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility for the government, I held a P-3 data access clearance level and had banned-activity authorization approved by the SIA (and no... I ain't talking about the singer! hehe )

I'm certainly not the best in the world, but I can certainly hold my own against most n00b h4cker$ like yourself...
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But they underestimated me...

Oops...someone poked the wrong nest!

Support for BlackICE was dropped a long time ago, wasn't it?

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