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So close you can taste it....


Haha, nice! Should be lining the boxes and installing drivers tomorrow sometime. biggrin.gif

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illa- what screw sizes, or bolts, and attachment techniques are you using for attaching the waveguides and woofers?

Funny you should ask this now as I'm actually making a run at lunch to woodcraft to pick up the hardware. Here is what's on my shopping list - since I was one of the first to pick up this kit, Erich didn't quite have all the hardware ready:

B&C Speakers - #10 x 1.5" black oxide pan head wood screws (8 each required)
Waveguide - #8 x 1.25" black oxide wood screws (4 each required)
Compression driver to wave guide M6 x 16mm with lock washer (2 each required) - already have these and fit great

Oh, I also picked up some gasket tape from PE to use behind the woofs and waveguides. I'm using the 1/8" thick, 0.5" wide speaker gasket tape for both.
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do you have the screw count backwards? i would guess the 15in B&C takes 8 screws and the waveguide 4. mine only have 4 holes
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do you have the screw count backwards? i would guess the 15in B&C takes 8 screws and the waveguide 4. mine only have 4 holes

Yes. tongue.gif You get the idea though. cool.gif
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Just got back from Woodcraft. Man, I love that place. It's a good thing I had to get back to work or I would have spent a LOT more money. Next I think I've talked myself into doing one of the DIY dust deputy separators. Pretty cool IMO.

I picked up an assortment of black oxide wood screws from #6 to #10 to have 'in stock' for this build and future builds. They have some really nice hardware there, although it's a bit more expensive than your local HD or lowes stuff.

Now that these speakers are basically constructed, I'm going to build some proper stands for them. The stands will essentially be an extension of the actual cabinets. I have the cutlist ready but have to find some time to go pick up the wood. I will NOT be using MDF again though.
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The one thing I couldn't find was the #10 black pan head screws for the kits. The #8's that I had were likely too small. Well, they would work okay, but some might want beefier screws.

I'll head to Woodcraft this weekend and see what they have so I can include the bigger screws with the kits.

Gorilla, how much were those larger screws?
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The one thing I couldn't find was the #10 black pan head screws for the kits. The #8's that I had were likely too small. Well, they would work okay, but some might want beefier screws.

I'll head to Woodcraft this weekend and see what they have so I can include the bigger screws with the kits.

Gorilla, how much were those larger screws?

The larger size black wood screws they have are a 'round washer' type screw in square drive. I didn't see any traditional pan head screws anywhere, they seem to stock these type instead which was fine with me anyway since they accomplish the same thing. In the #10 x 1.5" black oxide they were quite pricey at 9.25 for a pack of 100. Then again a pack of 100 goes a long way 100/8 = 12 kits. biggrin.gif I can confirm fitment when I get home today.

Edit - the 10 x 1 1/4" are only 6.89 for 100:

http://www.woodcraft.com/product/2080396/28937/10-x-114-highpoint-round-washer-head-screws-black-oxide-100piece.aspx
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The one thing I couldn't find was the #10 black pan head screws for the kits. The #8's that I had were likely too small. Well, they would work okay, but some might want beefier screws.

I'll head to Woodcraft this weekend and see what they have so I can include the bigger screws with the kits.

Gorilla, how much were those larger screws?

Up until this past weekend I have NEVER been in a Woodcraft store, I was a bit overwhelmed, lol. I would assume you have checked out Hillman for fasteners already?

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Up until this past weekend I have NEVER been in a Woodcraft store, I was a bit overwhelmed, lol. I would assume you have checked out Hillman for fasteners already?

Bill

It's funny almost everywhere I checked had some type of black #8 screw, but the #10's seem a bit harder to find. Up until now I've just been spraying my zinc #10s black, but they seem to chip rather easily while installing.

I agree there is a lot going on inside a woodcraft store. Fortunately, most of the sections are well labeled so you can find what you're looking for rather quickly. The downside is there is so much cool stuff it's easy to get distracted. biggrin.gif
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Up until this past weekend I have NEVER been in a Woodcraft store, I was a bit overwhelmed, lol. I would assume you have checked out Hillman for fasteners already?

Bill

I haven't checked out Hillman because I didn't know you could actually stop in and buy direct from them. Maybe I'll check that out.

Gorilla, I'm not so sure those screws will be good because of the square drive head. Some might not have that bit laying around.
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I agree there is a lot going on inside a woodcraft store. Fortunately, most of the sections are well labeled so you can find what you're looking for rather quickly. The downside is there is so much cool stuff it's easy to get distracted. biggrin.gif

Wife was eyeballing a giant piece of hardwood for a mantel, I was eyeballing everything else wink.gif
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I haven't checked out Hillman because I didn't know you could actually stop in and buy direct from them. Maybe I'll check that out.

Not sure if you actually can to be honest, their name just popped into my head.

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I haven't checked out Hillman because I didn't know you could actually stop in and buy direct from them. Maybe I'll check that out.

Gorilla, I'm not so sure those screws will be good because of the square drive head. Some might not have that bit laying around.

I agree, the square head is probably not common enough for most guys to use, but apparently it is superior in terms of slip protection.

Other options:

http://www.mcfeelys.com/product/1014-WRK/10-x-1-12-Wood-Screws-Black-Oxide-Round-Washer-Head-Combo-Drive
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Do you think the washer head on the #10 might be too big to fit most woofers?
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Do you think the washer head on the #10 might be too big to fit most woofers?

Confirmed #10 with the washer head does NOT fit, haha.




Looks like #8 with washer it is!


2 coats of Duratex, done. Also busted out crossover #3 while the first coat was drying. Waiting to try and watching some TV with the wife now. cool.gif



Should be wrapping them up tomorrow AM! biggrin.gif
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Dude, you're blowing my doors in on these!! Can't wait to hear what you think.
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Dude, you're blowing my doors in on these!! Can't wait to hear what you think.

Me too smile.gif
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I keep getting this feeling, based on yours and Erich's response to the never ending questions from Andrew and I about upgrades, that once we power these up and get a good listen they will be amazing.
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looking good dude. My flatpacks for the Fusion 10s should be here mon/tues. i was hoping they woudl be here today. Next week is gonna be crazy. I should be able to get all the cabs assembled during the week and then do some of the finishing on the weekend. im out of town the week of the 4th for work. which is gonna suck. because all i want to do is build speakers
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Thanks guys. I spent all morning 7-12 getting them finished up. I still had a bit more work than I thought. smile.gif But they are DONE! I only have about 10 minutes before we leave for the auto show but I did get to listen to a few tracks in 2 channel. No EQ/distance settings/Audyssey yet but they sound AWESOME!! Midbass is better than a lot of the 'smaller' subs that I had in my room. Clarity is top notch as well as imagine. Can't wait to give them a thorough listen and calibration later tonight. I took a LOT of pics which I will upload the rest later.

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Thanks guys. I spent all morning 7-12 getting them finished up. I still had a bit more work than I thought. smile.gif But they are DONE! I only have about 10 minutes before we leave for the auto show but I did get to listen to a few tracks in 2 channel. No EQ/distance settings/Audyssey yet but they sound AWESOME!! Midbass is better than a lot of the 'smaller' subs that I had in my room. Clarity is top notch as well as imagine. Can't wait to give them a thorough listen and calibration later tonight. I took a LOT of pics which I will upload the rest later.

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Andrew, they look awesome!! Can't wait to hear them.
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Wow, you did a great job on those!

Later I'm going to set up a photo gallery so we can put all these finished pictures in one place. So take some nice photos!!

The gloss SEOS looks really nice with that woofer.
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They really did turn out nice. The SHO-10 looks like a toy next to them....
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Phenomenal man!

Can't wait to get your impressions after you throw some power at these beasts.
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Fantastic!! glad to hear the initial impression, can't wait to hear more. You really did a great job on them man!
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Nice looking speakers! I don't think I've seen many gloss SEOS.
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Anxiously awaiting.....
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Andrew, they look awesome!! Can't wait to hear them.

Thanks John! Stop over tomorrow or sometime this week to give them a listen. biggrin.gif
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Wow, you did a great job on those!

Later I'm going to set up a photo gallery so we can put all these finished pictures in one place. So take some nice photos!!

The gloss SEOS looks really nice with that woofer.

Thanks Erich! I'm got to get a decent camera over here to take something respectable. Thanks for the reccomendation on the gloss waveguide, they look incredible.
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Phenomenal man!

Can't wait to get your impressions after you throw some power at these beasts.

Thank you sir. I have the EP4000 on them now and they take EVERYTHNG the amp can throw at them. I had them up to +15 (not yet level matched) where the EP4000 taps out (clip lights) and they're screaming away, cleanly!
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Fantastic!! glad to hear the initial impression, can't wait to hear more. You really did a great job on them man!

Thanks Jake! You're going to love these things. I'm hoping to run Audyssey and watch Avengers when we get back from dinner. cool.gif
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Nice looking speakers! I don't think I've seen many gloss SEOS.

I don't know if I've seen many on here yet either? Erich reccomended I try it and I think it blends well with the B&C woof and duratex finish.


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Anxiously awaiting.....

I'm also anxiously waitin to calibrate them and give them a proper listen too!

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Yeah man they are awesome indeed!

One quick comment though, if you find the midrange boxy sounding try to throw some more dampening material in there. You could completely fill the top section where the waveguide and CD are mounted up with it, the bracing up there should hold it in place. Here is how the dampening in mine looks BTW:



Sorry to start critiquing after you just finished. redface.gif
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Glad you liked the gloss versus matte. Most people are ordering the matte finish, and they look okay with most of the woofers. But the gloss looks great, especially with that B&C. As PassingInterest said......'Gloss is Boss'.

Take it easy on that amp! biggrin.gif I'm not sure if amp clipping can cause speaker issues or not, but I think so. I can't recall what kind of power MTG-90 recommended for these.

You might also try toeing those in a bit more and see how they do.

Looking forward to any nice pictures you can get. I'll also be putting a link to each build on the speaker's page so others can follow the builds.
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