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bmg963's Avatar bmg963 07:32 AM 01-24-2013
I have built two DO boxes with Dayton HO 18's like Gorillas. I only have one box hooked up right now to the left channel of a CV5000, power is all the way up. Haven't really had much time to experiment, but the brief moment i got, i popped in LOTR and played an explosion scene. One of the subs played flawlessly, but the other sub is bottoming out in the loudest parts of the explosion. Why would one sub play great, but the other not so great when they are receiving the same signal/power, and in the same box? Or could I have received a bad sub? The right channel is not connected yet, so i'm just gonna take a stab and guess that the amp is providing extra power (on top of the 1250W @ 2 ohms) to the pair, and that when i hook up the second box, it should distribute power evenly and it may not bottom out again. i really have no idea though. any thoughts or input is appreciated...

Gorilla83's Avatar Gorilla83 07:48 AM 01-24-2013
Double check the polarity of the drivers. What size are the boxes? Have you inspected for leaks?

Did you do any free air testing with them before installing?
gpmbc's Avatar gpmbc 08:03 AM 01-24-2013
I had the same issue with a set of dual opposed subs. 1 set out of 4 was bottoming. Once I installed a 1/4” rubber gasket the problem went away. The Daytons already have a built in gasket I believe so check that how you have it mounted is getting a good seal.
bmg963's Avatar bmg963 10:35 AM 01-24-2013
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Double check the polarity of the drivers. What size are the boxes? Have you inspected for leaks?

Did you do any free air testing with them before installing?


boxes ended up 23x25x30. will check polarity in a while, but i double checked at time of install so pretty sure it is correct. haven't inspected for leaks, but i will. glued, clamped, and nailed all boards together, and pl premium in all seams and nail holes. 6lbs of polyfill stuffed in box. 1/2" PE gasket on mounting holes, slightly overlapped at joint seams as extra insurance.
haven't done any free air testing. i didn't realize it was a valuable thing to do. i just figured it was to watch the sub dance around. from you asking about it, sounds like i may be wrong though
bass addict's Avatar bass addict 12:19 PM 01-24-2013
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i didn't realize it was a valuable thing to do. i just figured it was to watch the sub dance around. from you asking about it, sounds like i may be wrong though

I wouldn't say it's a valuable thing to do. I've done it on occasion, but it's not like it's something that's required.
NicksHitachi's Avatar NicksHitachi 12:31 PM 01-24-2013
Yup I'd test free air and listen, youll be able to hear more with it out the box. Very low power though.

Are the leads on the HO stitched? I don't remember, check for tinsel slap.

Also check inside box and make sure cone is not contacting anyting inside box like wire or polyfill. It could cause coil to shift in gap at high excursion and make some noise that way too.
Dezmond's Avatar Dezmond 01:21 PM 01-24-2013
At 2ohm the amp should be putting out 2500 watts.
bmg963's Avatar bmg963 04:18 PM 01-24-2013
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Yup I'd test free air and listen, youll be able to hear more with it out the box. Very low power though.

Are the leads on the HO stitched? I don't remember, check for tinsel slap.

Also check inside box and make sure cone is not contacting anyting inside box like wire or polyfill. It could cause coil to shift in gap at high excursion and make some noise that way too.
tested for leaks, nothing. opened box back up, correct polarity, speaker wire not in the way, but polyfill had definitely filled in between the cone and the spider. pulled it out, did some free air testing at 10-20hz and it moved flawlessly. pushed all the polyfill as far to the side as possible and put it back in the box, sounding as it should now. with as many car subs as i have dealt with, never experienced polyfill making sub sound like it's bottoming out, so thanks for the advice! any tips on how to keep it away from the sub? i'm sure the air pressure makes it dance around inside the box and i'd rather not have to take it out everytime this happens.

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At 2ohm the amp should be putting out 2500 watts.
that is correct, my mistake on the wording. i meant 1250/sub, 2500/box
jpmst3's Avatar jpmst3 04:36 PM 01-24-2013
You don't have to use polyfill. You could use fiberglass insulation or nothing at all.
paskal9's Avatar paskal9 06:06 PM 01-24-2013
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tested for leaks, nothing. opened box back up, correct polarity, speaker wire not in the way, but polyfill had definitely filled in between the cone and the spider. pulled it out, did some free air testing at 10-20hz and it moved flawlessly. pushed all the polyfill as far to the side as possible and put it back in the box, sounding as it should now. with as many car subs as i have dealt with, never experienced polyfill making sub sound like it's bottoming out, so thanks for the advice! any tips on how to keep it away from the sub? i'm sure the air pressure makes it dance around inside the box and i'd rather not have to take it out everytime this happens.
i did this:


cut and stapled some extra grill cloth i have lying around.
dictator92's Avatar dictator92 06:25 PM 01-24-2013
I never heard a difference with poly fill...
jpmst3's Avatar jpmst3 06:43 PM 01-24-2013
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I never heard a difference with poly fill...

It makes a small difference in very small enclosures but certainly is not required.
ack_bk's Avatar ack_bk 06:46 PM 01-24-2013
Ricci did some testing with and without stuffing:
http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=content&id=79

I used polyfil in mine but plan on taking some measurement with, and without.
gpmbc's Avatar gpmbc 07:10 PM 01-24-2013
For a future option, you can use pillows with the polyfil already in them, will keep things simple and free of obstruction. Glad your problem was simple.
bass addict's Avatar bass addict 07:43 PM 01-24-2013
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For a future option, you can use pillows with the polyfil already in them, will keep things simple and free of obstruction. Glad your problem was simple.

I used some of my wife's pantyhose last time, but I wouldn't recommend that route again. biggrin.gif
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