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mblakebiellier.....is this your first rodeo?

Have a look at Danley Sound Labs if you need pro audio. But your post made me laugh.biggrin.gif
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But you guys know we can't hear lower than 20hz.

It says so in every electronic manual. Look: 20hz-20,000hz. Right on my dvd player.

So yeah, maybe that extra 10hz is worth it?

I read up on their website earlier. These are clearly the best subs that you can get for any kind of money. Would be pretty stupid to try and make bass you can't even hear. What's the point of that?

I mean, no offense, I'm sure you guys know how to put together speakers and stuff but there is no way you can guys can build a sub better than these guys. No question this is the most powerful sub system you could use at home. I'd rather trust them with 30hz over you guys on the internet claiming you can even do 20hz at all. Not that you can even hear that. Seems like a waste.


Scott! I have decided what we are going to do. Since 30hz is truly all you need, I am going to help you with your wasteful burden that is your sub system. So what's gonna happen is that you're going to send me your 12-SI 18"s (in their boxes) and I am going to build and send you a dozen Dayton Audio 6.5" classic woofers in 0.14 cu ft sealed boxes. Only sealed because I know how you like that "Fast", "Tight" bass only, not that slow muddy stuff that bigger drivers produce. Not to mention the increased SSAF (Scott Simonian Acceptance Factor). This setup, with a little EQ, is going to put you in ~30hz and above NIRVANA! Just think! No more wasteful frequencies to not hear. No more ultra low bass waves causing unnecessary rattles in you and your neighbors houses! It will be excellent!
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Pfft. I wouldn't even bother with that.

I've got this 8" Yamaha (goes to 42hz) keeping me very happy. smile.gif

And you're right. I would prefer fast and tight bass over all that slow sloppy stuff that all the guys with 15's and 18's have. A bunch of 6.5" subs should have the fastest bass ever!




















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What about an earbud line array!??

You can't get faster than that! wink.gif

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Pfft. I wouldn't even bother with that.

I've got this 8" Yamaha (goes to 42hz) keeping me very happy. smile.gif

And you're right. I would prefer fast and tight bass over all that slow sloppy stuff that all the guys with 15's and 18's have. A bunch of 6.5" subs should have the fastest bass ever!tongue.gif

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What about an earbud line array!??

You can't get faster than that! wink.gif


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#1  That is not a road worthy cabinet in the link you posted...  Again...  Not even in the same market.  You can't compare something that won't work in the applications I need speakers for.  

 

#2  Read the asterisks they put all over their specs on the link you posted.   They say it will achieve those when corner loaded.  BASSBOSS specs are taken 1Watt @ 1Meter @ 2.83Volts at 4 Ohms.  Please learn how to read specs before you judge another company.  If you corner load a BASSBOSS sub and use the ratings of the speaker you posted....  The specs would be much much higher for the BASSBOSS ZV28!  The specs that BASSBOSS has on their site is the lowest dB the speaker can put out at the entire speakers range.  That means that if the sub hits 139 dB at 100Hz and it hits 136dB @ 21Hz....  They use the 136dB so they don't fudge data like all the other companies. 

 

#3  There are actually new specs that will be released soon with even higher ratings.   Amplification has changed since the specs on the BASSBOSS Website.  

 

:-)  Trust me...  There is no amp or enclosure made for being mobile that can do what a BASSBOSS ZV28 can.   

 

Maybe you should go youtube orbital shifters and you'll see just about half of the videos are from DJ's taking them to shows. And saying no amp and enclosure can be made for being mobile is just ignorant. What makes this magical wooden box with a metal grill and some handles better than oh I don't know..... every other wooden box? Oh so it's got a plate amp. Cool story bruh.

 

Saying something is better just because you are plugging it doesn't make it true. Especially when it's a store bought sub in a DIY forum.

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What about an earbud line array!??

You can't get faster than that! wink.gif

You can't get faster than that?

How about a RE XXX 18", stroking full excursion @20hz, that's faster than the LMS@20hz, the UXL@20hz, faster than Scott's JBLs and on helluva lot faster than an earbud line array.

That .. ... .... is what I'm talking about.










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FOH all these latest comments are from the post last page by mblake. SO while most of us agree about the XXX this guy was suggesting that anything below 30hz is a waste. SO we are all still on the "smart," comments right now. Just a bit of fun.
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Maybe you should go youtube orbital shifters and you'll see just about half of the videos are from DJ's taking them to shows. And saying no amp and enclosure can be made for being mobile is just ignorant. What makes this magical wooden box with a metal grill and some handles better than oh I don't know..... every other wooden box? Oh so it's got a plate amp. Cool story bruh.

 

Saying something is better just because you are plugging it doesn't make it true. Especially when it's a store bought sub in a DIY forum.

 

It is about weight and truck pack ability.  Just because it has handles...  It doesn't mean it is easy to lug around!    The ZV28 is better because of the driver selection, amp and processing.   The box is simple and uses basic port design.   It is perfectly tuned for the drivers that are in it.   Plus...  There has not been a blown driver returned in any of the double 18s from BASSBOSS, since their creation.  That was over 5 years ago!  The amp pushes out more power than a K10 Powersoft.    Don't say... OH...  Well it isn't a K20...  A K20 is only two K10s packed into one rack unit.  The BASSBOSS amp can be racked with two in one unit also.    

 

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mblakebiellier.....is this your first rodeo?

Have a look at Danley Sound Labs if you need pro audio. But your post made me laugh.biggrin.gif

 

I am glad that facts made you laugh!  No... Not my first rodeo...  I have been working with electronics my entire life...   I am not gods gift to audio design...  However, I have learned a lot in the past year!   I have been learning and working with one of the best in the industry.  

 

Danley makes great products!  Heck...  I have their PC and iPhone apps.  But the Danley subs still don't compete with the ZV28.   The ZV28 is much much cheaper too!  :-)   

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FOH all these latest comments are from the post last page by mblake. SO while most of us agree about the XXX this guy was suggesting that anything below 30hz is a waste. SO we are all still on the "smart," comments right now. Just a bit of fun.

yeah, I get that


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But the Danley subs still don't compete with the ZV28.  
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I cant see the link.

And FOH I just woke up. Was confused at first what your saying. Now my comment doesnt make any sense. LOL
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Neither does the last page but that doesn't stop us from trollin' this dude. redface.gif

I'm sure the BOSSBASS stuff is actually very impressive....for what it's for. In home, it would also be impressive. However, you have entered a den of lions. Lions with an insatiable desire for <30hz bass.

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 "FOH I just woke up."

No prob, just saying the excursion king re18xxx, up against any other driver at full excursion, at any given frequency, it'll be faster than all comers.

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 "FOH I just woke up."

No prob, just saying the excursion king re18xxx, up against any other driver at full excursion, at any given frequency, it'll be faster than all comers.

Wouldn't it be faster the higher the frequency?

Speed of cone = frequency+SPL right?

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Just saying at 20hz, full excursion, it's faster than anything else.

If it's traveling farther in the same period, it's faster.

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http://www.speakerpower.net/sp1-mono-models.html

Heres a plate amp the does 6k watts. look at the striking similarities in the "stylistic" elements.

pricing for a single powered zv28, $7,734. non powered version $5,234 (which cant be bought without a powered version).

* danley product capable of at least 4 db more "continuous output" within the same frequency range.

http://www.danleysoundlabs.com/products/subwoofers/tapped-horns/th-221/#slide1

Its considerably larger, but still truck pack dimensions, and comes with half the power bill due to half the enclosure number required.
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I never understood why someone would want their amp inside a box that rumbles.
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I never understood why someone would want their amp inside a box that rumbles.

Not only that but pay far more per watt and have less flexibility.

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I never understood why someone would want their amp inside a box that rumbles.
That goes back to the origin of subs, in the days of 2.0 receivers. The only viable way to transmit the signal was via speaker level, with a simple in-line capacitor on the outputs to high pass the L/R mains. Tape outs could have been used, but that would have resulted in no high pass filtering for the mains, while the receiver volume control wouldn't operate the sub volume. To keep it simple on-board amplification was used. When the first x.1 receivers came along the right way to do it would have been to incorporate the sub amp into the receiver, but that would have rendered all the existing self-powered subs unusable, as well as increasing the cost of the receiver, so instead of the right way the industry took the expedient route instead.

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...why someone would want their amp inside a box that rumbles.
I had some Philips MotionFeedback speakers in the 70's: These were fully active and included all the electronics ( amps/crossover and servo circuit ) inside the cab.
Today this ( integrated ) approach is used in Studio monitors/ subwoofers and cabs used in Professional Sound and offers implementation flexibility options, especially with platforms ( like CobraNet ) and other means of signal transmission.

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I never understood why someone would want their amp inside a box that rumbles.

Less setup time.
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why do you say that? twice the cable runs to every box (signal and power).
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