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"no real world sonic equivalent"

maybe?

thunder clap. volcano eruption. avalanche. meteor impact. tornado.

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Not knocknig EFX, just calling a spade a spade.

Since EFX generally have no real world sonic equivalent, they are what they are.



In general yeah, but an accompanying ULF component of a soundtrack effect occurring a bit higher (percussive or otherwise), would be a notable exception.

Are you saying there's no naturally occurring ULF that one would encounter in both in real life and on a disc?

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"no real world sonic equivalent"

maybe?

thunder clap. volcano eruption. avalanche. meteor impact. tornado.

+1

CDs and SACDs, but as a fan of Brad Miller's amazing work, I'd add locomotives, also David Chesky and Space Shuttles, etc., etc ...

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i was just curious. found this spl table that includes a tornado. so pretty much any spl level to any frequency is game when working with tornados. :-) but you can probably create a satisfactory sound system without worrying about recreating the sound at the center of a tornado. i was just say'n... :-)




"I'd add locomotives, also David Chesky and Space Shuttles, etc., etc .."

i was trying to limit it to "sounds of nature". you know, the stuff that you are likely to encounter everyday... :-)~

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that link looks like it has some info that seems familiar with other lists - but it has one point on it that looks in error. 126dB is four times louder than 120dB it says. that's not true right. It's twice as loud I thought. And most people say 10dB is about the time our brain thinks something is twice as loud right?

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yeah, you're right...it's more a technical point that +3db is simply approximately 2x power.

we don't perceive 2x power as being twice as loud. our perception of "twice as loud" is all over the map and it varies with both frequency and level. but in the midrange at an average level, "twice as loud" is something around 8-10db +/-.

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i was trying to limit it to "sounds of nature". you know, the stuff that you are likely to encounter everyday... :-)~

smile.gif Yeah ... I understand, just having a little fun.

Naturally occurring;
Like car doors slamming ... , or the Coke bottle effect driving a full-size four door pick-up, with one rear window down eek.gif ... check out that high SPL, low low flutter. Or how about walking barefoot, with foam ear plugs fully inserted, on a hard surface. The bone conduction ULF that occurs coming up from your heels, transferred all the way up to your head ... that's some deep stuff there.
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^^ i know. me too.

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well.there is however a thing called a smps which has nothing to do with the amp its self.thanks
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Not sure how you can claim that. A class D amplifier is a SMPS by the definition of a switching converter; it just happens to have a variable output voltage controlled by an AVR.

So, i'm politely asking..what is your point? confused.gif

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At one time 1db was the number used for the smallest change in volume one could detect.. But today i would find that to be not 100% true, it must be the hardware...
3db was the number used for its "louder but not by much", but that could use twice the amp power, so those of you with less than 200+ watts per channel are really missing out on the full dynamic range and without to much compression.
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^ ^ ^

Also, I'd have to think it's strongly dependent on the spectral width of the increase or decrease. A narrow band change is more difficult to discern than a broadband change. I've no first hand experience, but there are those that claim to detect .5dB changes in the MF/HF octaves centered around the area of our highest sensitivity, ... ~3khz or so.

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...there are those that claim to detect .5dB changes in the MF/HF octaves centered around the area of our highest sensitivity, ... ~3khz or so.

I could believe that; sometimes 1 dB volume steps seem too coarse.

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I could believe that; sometimes 1 dB volume steps seem too coarse.

Same. One feature I was really surprised and was happy to see it when I first got my Onkyo 3007. smile.gif

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Still eagerly awaiting the release of this amp. Uli Behringer responded in the Behringer Q and A thread at prosoundweb that it is due to be released near February 2014.

I am really impressed with the IPR2-7500 my friend has let me borrow but I have to know how this amp compares before I make a purchase. The 7500 is spec'd at 3750 watts per channel at 2ohms.

In my research last year I found the Inuke 6000 was bench tested to put out 1400 watts per channel @ 8 ohm and 2000 watts per channel @ 4 ohms.

Uli Behringer also told us the Inuke 12000 is two Inuke 6000s together. So Im thinking that should place the Inuke 12000 at around 4000 watts per channel @ 4ohms which is not to mention what its 2ohm spec might be.

Seems like the Inuke 12000 should be the most powerful amp available for under $1000. Not including the clones.
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Swolephile,

iNuke 12000 probably won't run 2 ohm stereo right?

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Swolephile,

iNuke 12000 probably won't run 2 ohm stereo right?

I was actually just reading the documentation on the 12000 last night. It is listed from Behringer to output at 2ohms. In fact it's rated as 6,000w per channel at 2ohms. eek.gif I mean.... "yeah right" but still.

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Swolephile,

iNuke 12000 probably won't run 2 ohm stereo right?

The Inuke 12000 will be 2ohm stable.
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In fact it's rated as 6,000w per channel at 2ohms. eek.gif I mean.... "yeah right" but still.

100,000watts for 1ms tongue.giftongue.giftongue.giftongue.giftongue.gif
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well, I'll probably pick a 12,000 DSP model up if they come out in late February as some of the drop dates are starting to suggest. My ultimax sub order is now delayed until April time-frame - so I've got some additional time to consider. I could also possibly try to organize a group buy on the IPR7500 units that would serve the function as well.

I've really enjoyed my two iNuke DSP 3000 units.

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Yeah. So far I like my nu4-6000 amplifier. I could see it being a very useful tool if they were to add DSP to it or at least offer a version that does.

So what's the word on these? You mention, "...if they come out in late February...." so is that what they are saying now?

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These things will need a lot of caps to be of interest.. Still, seems like it may be an affordable option for somewhat decent power. I'd like to see these on a bench.
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Soon.. Its available in Europe.

http://www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_inuke_nu12000.htm
looks like will be ~$1000USD +-100
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was supposed to be 899 without dsp and 999 with, who knows if that remains true. Any internal pics of it or bench tests yet?
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$1000 for dsp and $900 for non dsp models. Release date is February 25th, 2014.
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was supposed to be 899 without dsp and 999 with, who knows if that remains true. Any internal pics of it or bench tests yet?

In EU its a bit more than twice the price of the NU6000 so 899 USD is a good guess as i see the NU6000 is about 399 USD. Havent seen any internal pics yet, but i noticed the weight of the unit. Its more than twice the NU6000 (12kg vs 5.5kg, according to Thomann.de)
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Amazon has it listed now.


Behringer NU12000DSP Power Amplifier
List Price $1,499.99
Price $1,002.51

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HRKWS0Q/ref=cm_sw_r_an_am_at_ws_us?ie=UTF8

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Nice. Non-DSP model is $900 with Prime shipping.

Not so nice...."Usually ships within 2 to 5 months."

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Does anyone have any updates on these babies?

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