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coctostan's Avatar coctostan 02:52 PM 03-18-2013
I think a replacement TAD 4003 diaphragm is around $2k. Their cost is obviously lower.

The 950PB with a truextent Be diaphragm is the "poor mans" version at around $1000-1200. I've been told they sound better than JBL's 476Be which, when it was available, was around $3700. I haven't heard of anyone comparing them to TAD 4003's.

FWW, there are guys like Geddes who says he tested the TAD 2001 (the only 1" Be driver I know of) and said it provided nothing over the DE250.

Without a doubt, the BMS is a far better value and I wouldn't be surprised if it rivaled the Be diaphragms in performance.

Martycool007's Avatar Martycool007 06:50 AM 03-19-2013
The price for the Truextant Be diaphragms is approx $600 ea. I am not sure what the price of the Radian 950PB is, but I think that it is around $400 ea. if you were going to build a trio of speakers for your main LCR's then you would be looking at $1,000.00 times three for just the top end.

How much does the BMS-4592 or 4594 go for? One main reason that I can see for going with the Radians over the BMS is that you could start with just the Radian 950PB's for like $400 ea, (maybe less), and to keep the initial cost down wait a while to upgrade to the Truextant Be diaphragms.

I have heard that the Radian 950Pb is an awesome CD even without the Be diaphragm.
Martycool007's Avatar Martycool007 06:50 AM 03-19-2013
The price for the Truextant Be diaphragms is approx $600 ea. I am not sure what the price of the Radian 950PB is, but I think that it is around $400 ea. if you were going to build a trio of speakers for your main LCR's then you would be looking at $1,000.00 times three for just the top end.

How much does the BMS-4592 or 4594 go for? One main reason that I can see for going with the Radians over the BMS is that you could start with just the Radian 950PB's for like $400 ea, (maybe less), and to keep the initial cost down wait a while to upgrade to the Truextant Be diaphragms.

I have heard that the Radian 950Pb is an awesome CD even without the Be diaphragm.
coctostan's Avatar coctostan 07:26 AM 03-19-2013
I think the 4594 in the group buy was about $500 and is already superior to the Radian. Whether it is better than the Radian with Truextent is unknown, likely quite close and ultimately debatable. The main disadvantage of the BMS is that it requires designing some sort of crossover (passive, DSP or passive/DSP hybrid).
Martycool007's Avatar Martycool007 08:17 AM 03-20-2013
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I think the 4594 in the group buy was about $500 and is already superior to the Radian. Whether it is better than the Radian with Truextent is unknown, likely quite close and ultimately debatable. The main disadvantage of the BMS is that it requires designing some sort of crossover (passive, DSP or passive/DSP hybrid).

Wow, I didn't realize that the 4594 was that cheap with the group buy. I wonder what the cost is for the 4592 w/the group buy? How does the 4592 compare to the 4594? Is one supperior to the other?
coctostan's Avatar coctostan 09:35 AM 03-20-2013
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Wow, I didn't realize that the 4594 was that cheap with the group buy. I wonder what the cost is for the 4592 w/the group buy? How does the 4592 compare to the 4594? Is one supperior to the other?

I believe it was the same price. They are fundamentally the same but with different exit sizes. The 4594 designating a 1.4" and 4592 designating a 2" exit. I personally see zero purpose to 2" exit compression drivers in modern systems to be honest (and especially with modern home systems). At most they should be used only as dedicated midranges. The only reason to use it is with a legacy horn IMO.

The Radian equivalent is actually the 951PB (1.4" version of 950PB which is 2") which they don't seem to list anywhere but I think US Speakers can source it.
MoFinWiley's Avatar MoFinWiley 04:01 PM 03-20-2013
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I think the 4594 in the group buy was about $500 and is already superior to the Radian. Whether it is better than the Radian with Truextent is unknown, likely quite close and ultimately debatable. The main disadvantage of the BMS is that it requires designing some sort of crossover (passive, DSP or passive/DSP hybrid).

hmmm...Did I get sent a different list? The price I saw was 50% more than that.
cookieattk's Avatar cookieattk 04:15 PM 03-20-2013
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hmmm...Did I get sent a different list? The price I saw was 50% more than that.

750 - 225 30% discount = 525 each smile.gif
MoFinWiley's Avatar MoFinWiley 05:25 PM 03-20-2013
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750 - 225 30% discount = 525 each smile.gif

sigh....I was not told it was price minus %30...It would have changed my decision. It seemed odd that the price was no different than you could find on the web, but it wouldn't be the first time that a group price was not great....oh well...I guess it wan't meant to be.
ChopShop1's Avatar ChopShop1 08:16 AM 03-21-2013
sorry about that MoFin...it was posted in the buy thread.

On a good note, the BMS buy is working out again and my brand new 4520 replacement is here and working!! I watched 0dark30 last night on the Sentinels with it biggrin.gif
MoFinWiley's Avatar MoFinWiley 08:39 AM 03-21-2013
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sorry about that MoFin...it was posted in the buy thread.

On a good note, the BMS buy is working out again and my brand new 4520 replacement is here and working!! I watched 0dark30 last night on the Sentinels with it biggrin.gif


yeah I finally found the reference to the discount..........8 pages into the thread.
coctostan's Avatar coctostan 09:25 AM 03-21-2013
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yeah I finally found the reference to the discount..........8 pages into the thread.

Yeah, I just ended up asking Chop when he emailed me the list. Pretty good price. Depending on how urgent your needs are someone will likely end up selling their GB drivers so maybe you can still get some.
Gorilla83's Avatar Gorilla83 01:14 PM 03-21-2013
If we've got some interest in another month or two, I'd be up for starting another BMS buy for those who missed out on this one - if Jack is up for it of course.
a|F's Avatar a|F 05:06 PM 03-21-2013
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If we've got some interest in another month or two, I'd be up for starting another BMS buy for those who missed out on this one - if Jack is up for it of course.
A couple months out lines up well for me..

Count me in.
Martycool007's Avatar Martycool007 09:41 AM 03-22-2013
Is the BMS group buy over with? If so, urggg...I was planning on ording some stuff on Tuesday.
ChopShop1's Avatar ChopShop1 12:34 PM 03-22-2013
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Is the BMS group buy over with? If so, urggg...I was planning on ording some stuff on Tuesday.

Yeah it's all done, check the thread out for the group buy though...it has good info, and I think there will be another one in the next couple of months.

The woofers are supposed to show up today, so I guess I really need to get cracking on some enclosures.
d_c's Avatar d_c 12:54 PM 03-24-2013
How many of the TD15M drivers did you decide for each enclosure?
bass addict's Avatar bass addict 12:59 PM 03-24-2013
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How many of the TD15M drivers did you decide for each enclosure?

I'll give you one guess. Take the number of drivers you would think of as an overkill...................
































and double it. biggrin.gif
ChopShop1's Avatar ChopShop1 06:10 PM 03-24-2013
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I'll give you one guess. Take the number of drivers you would think of as an overkill...................
































and double it. biggrin.gif

Naa, I can't put 8 drivers per main biggrin.gif

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How many of the TD15M drivers did you decide for each enclosure?

gonna be 4 TD15M per L/C/R and singles in the surrounds.
chrapladm's Avatar chrapladm 06:16 PM 03-24-2013
Crazy talk. lol
Scott Simonian's Avatar Scott Simonian 12:57 AM 03-25-2013
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gonna be 4 TD15M per L/C/R and singles in the surrounds.

Very good.
ChopShop1's Avatar ChopShop1 07:23 AM 03-25-2013
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Very good.

Hope so. Matt and I are going to experiment a bit with the different configurations of the four woofers to see what will work best all around. I think we will be in good shape once it's all dialed in.
Gorilla83's Avatar Gorilla83 07:24 AM 03-25-2013
Jake - Did you get any of the AE woofs in yet? I know you're close....so if so, PICS!! biggrin.gif
ChopShop1's Avatar ChopShop1 07:27 AM 03-25-2013
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Jake - Did you get any of the AE woofs in yet? I know you're close....so if so, PICS!! biggrin.gif

Hope to have pics tomorrow. The are at the local shipper's receiving station. I have been trying to call them since Saturday to get the goods, but can't even get them on the phone....aaaaahhhhhhhhhh
ChopShop1's Avatar ChopShop1 07:45 AM 03-25-2013
Finally got the shipping company on the phone...no woofers til' Wednesday mad.gif
Gorilla83's Avatar Gorilla83 07:48 AM 03-25-2013
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Finally got the shipping company on the phone...no woofers til' Wednesday mad.gif

Damn. Oh well, you can bang out some boxes until then I suppose. Will be awesome to get a pallet full o' woofs though. biggrin.gif
ChopShop1's Avatar ChopShop1 09:05 AM 03-25-2013
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Damn. Oh well, you can bang out some boxes until then I suppose. Will be awesome to get a pallet full o' woofs though. biggrin.gif

I think I am most excited about that...It's going to look untterly rediculous to see a full pallet of 15s knowing that they are all going in one room biggrin.gif
I was telling my wife she has to watch out for the delivery guy on Wed and that he's brining a pallet of speakers...an hour later find a note, kind of like the gamling line on the lottery machines and it says...Do you or someone you know have a problem with speakers??? If so, please call 1-800-dumba$$ for help today. biggrin.gif:D:D
hometheaterdoc's Avatar hometheaterdoc 10:37 AM 03-25-2013
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I think I am most excited about that...It's going to look untterly rediculous to see a full pallet of 15s knowing that they are all going in one room biggrin.gif
I was telling my wife she has to watch out for the delivery guy on Wed and that he's brining a pallet of speakers...an hour later find a note, kind of like the gamling line on the lottery machines and it says...Do you or someone you know have a problem with speakers??? If so, please call 1-800-dumba$$ for help today. biggrin.gif:D:D

It could be worse.... I used to order subwoofer drivers for the custom designs I'd build for local customers 50 - 100 pieces at a time to get the best pricing..... that used to raise a few eyebrows when I'd try to carry all those pallets of woofers in the house and/or stack them in the garage because there was no more room in the house... the neighbors looked at me a little funny smile.gif I'd usually go get them from the depot so I wouldn't have to wait on teh delivery trucks.... watching the reactions of me pull in with pallets stacked 5 feet above the cab of the truck was funny, too smile.gif
ChopShop1's Avatar ChopShop1 09:22 AM 03-28-2013
Hmmm.....Looky looky, someone got a package biggrin.gif

ahhhhh, pics wont' load
filtor1's Avatar filtor1 09:25 AM 03-28-2013
I like pictures. tongue.gif
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