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Hey Guys, I have an approx.4500-5000 theater with dual Rythmiks and they are very nice, but have got the upgrade bug and am toying with adding two more, changing to something different like maybe a submersive/2 or trying diy subs. Could someone recommend a diy sub that might work for my situation? I would probably need a kit since I doubt if I have the tools or skill to build an appropriate box. Oh, I am looking for more spl/slam for ht.

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Similar situation...

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1461175/first-build-octo-si-18s-with-flat-packs/500_100#post_23166221

 

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IMO. sell your Rythmiks (they will go fast) and build as many of these as you can. you will need a DSP as well so factor that into the cost along with the amps. i have owned a FV15HP. they are fantastic subs, but my twin dual opposed setup(for just a little more $) blows it completely out of the water. Even one of them would. Not even close.

4, 6, or 8 sealed DIY 18's in that room would be the way I would go. DIYSoundgroup.com makes it easy with their flat packs. Plenty of us here to help you along the way. Just start a thread and include as many pics as possible tongue.gif

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Thanks for the replies, going to look into doing this!
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Ok, I'm definitely going to do this, but first a few questions. First, sealed or port? Single or dual opposed? 2 or 4? 15 or 18's? I like the idea of dual opposed but Erich doesn't know when he will have flat packs for 15" so maybe 2-4 singles sealed? Currently I have my subs in front right and rear left corners and I think corner placement is best in my theater. What amp would I need, some sort of berhinger? I have an SMS-1 that I currently don't use because in am using Audyssey pro with an Onkyo 5508, could the SMS be useful here? Which driver, Dayton or SI? Or is it a coin toss? I've done alot of dig acoustical treatments and have all the tools I need except maybe a router, so I think I can do this, especially since I plan on using the flat pack. I'm sure I will have alot more questions, but hopefully this will get me started! Thanks!
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Ok, I'm definitely going to do this, but first a few questions. First, sealed or port? Single or dual opposed? 2 or 4? 15 or 18's? I like the idea of dual opposed but Erich doesn't know when he will have flat packs for 15" so maybe 2-4 singles sealed? Currently I have my subs in front right and rear left corners and I think corner placement is best in my theater. What amp would I need, some sort of berhinger? I have an SMS-1 that I currently don't use because in am using Audyssey pro with an Onkyo 5508, could the SMS be useful here? Which driver, Dayton or SI? Or is it a coin toss? I've done alot of dig acoustical treatments and have all the tools I need except maybe a router, so I think I can do this, especially since I plan on using the flat pack. I'm sure I will have alot more questions, but hopefully this will get me started! Thanks!

Awesome man! No time now, but I'm sure others will chime in shortly. I do think you should invest in a good router!

 

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Will do!
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i would say do 4 separate singles. decide which driver you want first. that will determine which amp you should get. i have never heard the Dayton, but i love my SI 18's. i think a few folks here have heard both. going with the SI's should be a little bit cheaper between the drivers and the amps.

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It looks like the SI 18" aren't available until June, four 15's would be good, yes? I assume I need 4ohm? Would it be worth waiting for 18's?
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since your coming from two FV15HP's, go with the 18's. either wait for the SI's, or pay a little more for the Dayton HO's. your looking at about $120 more for the Dayton drivers. you could also go a little cheaper on amplification for the SI's so theres more difference in price there.

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Dayton and SI`s pretty close? I don't mind spending a little more!
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they model very similar. 4 Dayton 18HO's in separate 4cft boxes powered by a Cerwin Vega CV5000 would be a knockout system.

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Hell, by the time I get the enclosures done and two more risers, the SI will probably be in! What's that CV run? Thanks.
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the CV amp goes for between $700 and $800. i run 4 SI 18's off two Behringer EP4000's that i paid $280 a piece for on sale.

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Hey Brian, how difficult is it to build your own enclosure and get it right?
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Mal01, I did what you are thinking about doing and I can't recommend it enough. I went with 8 separate flat pack boxes for 8 18" SI drivers and it's beyond awesome. I had dual Submersives before that, and absolutely loved them but the pull of DIY was too strong and great drivers for this kind of money pushed me over the edge.

I'm powering all 8 with the CV 5000 so I'm amp limited and can't hurt the drivers. I'm in bass heaven, both for output and sound quality. The Submersives sounded just as good but since there were only 2 of them my response wasn't as smooth and effortless as it is now.

I've also had the Dayton's in my room and I would say in a blind test I highly doubt I could tell the SI and Dayton apart both have GREAT sound quality. Buy the driver that becomes available sooner, if you won't be done with enclosures for awhile you might as well wait on the SI and save some money.

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Hey Brian, how difficult is it to build your own enclosure and get it right?

It's not difficult depending on your skill level. If your just looking to paint them black I would highly suggest the flat packs Carp mentioned.

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It looks like the 4ft flat packs are sold out also, that's why I asked about building them, yes, black will be what I stick with.
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check out the FAQ Gorilla put together. it should have a lot of the answers your looking for.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1443078/new-to-diy-faqs-in-here/0_100

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Flat packs on the way! Now as far a as the finish is concerned, if I go with duratex, should I go with roll on or spray? I have a Wagner.

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oh cool. i thought they were out of stock!

every build i have seen that used Duratex rolled it on. there are a lot of threads just about getting good coverage with the roller. i have personally never used it but if i were going for just black boxes, it would be my first choice. no primer needed and its very durable. also, a little goes a looong way from what i have read.

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I emailed Erich and he said he had few left for the 18" Dayton, which I had decided to go with, so I got four to start with:) just have to wait for the daytons to come in!
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so does that mean your going to use the CV5000 for the amp?

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Probably, if that's the best bang for the buck!
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to get the most out of four of those drivers? yes.

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That's it then, thanks!
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waiting for me when I got home!smile.gif
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That was fast

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I`m a one day ship from Erich:) You know, like a lot of you guys I`ve spent some pretty decent cash on my gear, but for some reason paying 20-30 bucks for a plastic clamp pisses me off. I had a couple already and bought one and said screw it, I`ll make due with what I have as I am going brad nail them anyway.
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Definitely the way to go when painting them. With a brad nailer you can assemble them all in one day.

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