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Right on. That's some serious toe in. smile.gif

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post #122 of 150 Old 06-19-2013, 06:07 AM
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Excellent job!!
I can for see an exchange from silver to black phase plugs for me too.
I love the way they Fade To Black & disappear.
Now I know what mine could look like if done correctly.smile.gif
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brian, i'm not sure if that foam is going to absorb the backwave of the lower midrange frequencies.

i kind of doubt it. 2-3" of fiberglass or equivalent cotton insulation would be an alternative.

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av, the tractrix horn used in the crites speaker looks pretty good. i wouldn't discount it too heavily.

Would you expect the CS-1T speaker to out perform a SEOS 12 with DNA-360 and TD12M in a well braced cabinet? That is all I am saying.

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Can't wait to hear more impressions. If the 12M performs just like the 12X or better with the SEOS/DNA, you're going to love these for both music and movies.
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Excellent Brian! Those have a great look to them.
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well, this is interesting. i finally got to level match these and the front left is at -9 and the front right is at -3. just on avr power. that cant be right can it? a 6db difference? i opened up the front right and everything looks hooked up correctly.

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even level matched, something is off

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uh. thats weird. i cranked them to 11 for a bit. noticed a change in tone. reset the levels and now they are .5db apart.............

all is good now. yes. very very good...........................



why did i get a separate amp for these?..... biggrin.gif

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why did i get a separate amp for these?..... biggrin.gif

I was wondering the same thing with mine until I hooked it up. Even as sensitive as these are, I noticed an improvement with the amp inline.

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I think the level issue was avr related.

I need to hook up the fourth 20 amp line to use the amps.

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I think the level issue was avr related.

I need to hook up the fourth 20 amp line to use the amps.

Only 4? Rookie. biggrin.gif

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Only 4? Rookie. biggrin.gif

i know right?

we are looking at buying a new house. 200 amp service is on the list of upgrades biggrin.gif

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i know right?

we are looking at buying a new house. 200 amp service is on the list of upgrades biggrin.gif

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Bigger service, then a separate feed and place a local, dedicated panel just for HT/audio power.


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well, a lot has changed in the past couple months. we decided to move and buy a new house. These will end up as my main speakers in my great room and i have had them hiding away in storage as we showed our house. now that we have accepted an offer, i brought them back out and have been running them full range. Ill say it again, these are special speakers. they dont break the laws of physics. there isnt head crushing bass coming out of these, but the bass is just fine for music. the thing with these is they stay clean and detailed no matter how much you crank them. i have never heard a speaker keep its composure at such high volumes like these.

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Great news Brian. Congrats on the new house.
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Great news Brian. Congrats on the new house.

thanks. i will not have a theater for a while. with the bigger house bill and baby #2 coming, its just not going to be doable till next year.

it has a HUGE unfinished basement. ill be able to make a small dedicated room in one of the corners. i also have parts to make a trio of Cheap Thrills, so the future of these is uncertain really. i would hate to sell them, but we could use the cash at the moment...

i do have to sell my sub system though. i will do horns or IB in the new theater. most of my other AV stuff is staying as part of the house deal.

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it has been found that there is an error in the crossover for these. easy fix. just flip the compression driver leads. here are some comments i have made since doing this:

im listening to them now. i have not had a chance to turn them up too high, but what i am hearing is pretty awesome. i will put them through their paces Friday.

i had a pair of La Scalas that i sold to fund a pair of Cornscalas because i wanted a pair of speakers that i could run pure two channel and the La Scalas just did not have enough bass. The Cornscalas had plenty of bass but i never grew to like the woofer/compression driver mix. it always sounded disconnected, like the cross over was too low. They had their moments of greatness, but it was few and far between. i missed my La Scalas

I have been listening to these full range, no sub, since thats how they will be at least for a while in our new house. They are totally capable for full range. They wont blow your hair back, but for music they are more than fine.

I dont miss the La Scalas anymore. These speakers are just so clear. so balanced. The La Scalas had their flaws. the mid-horn being the biggest as it gets wonky sometimes and of course they are a very big box for only going down to 60Hz, but they have such dynamic capability, it makes up for it.

The TDM/SEOS have everything as far as im concerned. they are perfect. if the TDX/SEOS speakers can keep this detail and have deeper bass, they must be amazing.

i dont regret not using the TDX however, because i still feel that if you want that much bass, a separate sub is more ideal.

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The times when I go to shut my subwoofer off at night, and I realize that I already had it off, makes full range (double bass) worth every penny.
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i got a chance to crank them up a little. these actually put out more bass then you would think in this size enclosure and with the TDM's more limited excursion. i can honestly say now that these are better than my La Scalas and my Cornscalas

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I just swapped my leads, and I noticed an immediate improvement. These (TD12X/SEOS) sound incredible now.

We were right initially all along. There was something up, and we weren't blown away at first. I always thought it was because I was running phantom center.
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it has been found that there is an error in the crossover for these. easy fix. just flip the compression driver leads. here are some comments i have made since doing this

An error in Bill's design, or in the XO's as you built them?

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An error in Bill's design, or in the XO's as you built them?

In the design. NicksHitachi found it. They were very good before, but now they seem more "complete" so to speak.
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soooooo. i have these up sale.......... thing is, im trying to find a replacement that will blend in better in our new great room and im finding it very hard to find a replacement. especially for the price. i mean, how to do you get this kind of sound from even ID speakers without paying more? i have narrowed it down to the Ascend Sierra 1 with the NRT upgrade and the Dennis Murphy Philharmonitor. im sure they both sound great at normal listening levels, but there is no way they can compete with these 360/TDM's. these things do not need a sub at all for music where im sure i will be wanting subs (you cant have just one) with these ID speakers. top of the line compression driver and 12" woofer vs. a dome tweeter and a 5.25"? AAAAAHHHHHHH eek.gif

i dont need anything with bone snapping dynamics at high levels. I will be building another theater soon. this setup is just for music, but the fact is, these sound so good even at normal levels that im sure these ID speakers will be a downgrade. I HATE DOWN GRADES.


Anyway. as of now im looking at the Sierra NRT's and adding a pair of subs later. but i am seriously thinking of just keeping these and putting them in our nice great room. i dont care if they look out of place. they sound awesome.


anyone else have to deal with something like this? did you regret it? your happy with it?

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I have the Ascend Sierra-1's that I just recently sent back to Ascend for swapping out the NRT tweeter for the RAAL 70-20xr. All I can say is......holy cow do these babies sound spectacular! These are the best bookshelf speakers that I have ever heard, and they can also compete with quite a few towers! They also perform beautifully for theater.

I was originally going to build a Seos-15/BMS-4550/JBL-2226 setup for my theater, and use my Sierra-1's for 2-channel in a dedicated room, but after receiving my modified RAAL Sierra-1's I may put off the Seos build indefinitely, as these Sierra-1's are filling my small room with no problem at all. So I now plan on building some Fusion 10's for surrounds, and some mid-bass cabs that will utilize a single JBL-2226 for each LCR channel, with the cabinets used as stands for my Sierra-1's, and have the JBL's crossed over to the Sierra-1's actively using a MiniDsp.
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Marty,

What is your opinion of the NrT vs. the Raal? Have you heard any of the SEOS offerings?

the nrt is at the top of what I want to spend on a bookshelf speaker. What advantage does the raal give it? I wonder if the Philharmonitor would be a better choiçe for me than the Raal?

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Jim Salk is 30 minutes from me so im going to go see him as well.

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If you were to sell, what kind of price would you be looking to get?

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Actually. They are for sale in the classifieds. For an awesome price I might add!!

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The Nrt is an excellent tweeter, and makes these bookshelf speakers sound extremely good, having more detail, clarity, and being more revealing than the Paradigm Signature 2's that I compared them to. They pretty much beat the Paradigms in every category.

The RAAL is something that words can not describe. I know that you guys are going to think I am crazy for saying this, but my RAAL equipped Sierra-1's beat the crap out of every commercial speaker that I have ever heard! I compared them to the B&W 805D2 and some über expensive Revels, (the salons, perhaps? Not sure but they were priced well above the 805's), the Sierra-1 was the winner by quite a large margin! I can only tell you that if you can swing for the RAAL's, it would be the best decision you have ever made, and will never find a better speaker, without spending over $8k, period!

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What is your opinion of the NrT vs. the Raal? Have you heard any of the SEOS offerings?

the nrt is at the top of what I want to spend on a bookshelf speaker. What advantage does the raal give it? I wonder if the Philharmonitor would be a better choiçe for me than the Raal?
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