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I don't usually by these super junk amps so I kind of need some advice on which ones are the least junk. As usual I'm going in circles googling, I never know who to believe. Need a cheap solution for the homebrewing area that will only be used a total of like 12 hours a month. I spend too much money on my hobbies so this it's cheap-o time, here's what I'm dealing with...

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-STRDH130-Channel-Stereo-Receiver/dp/B006U1VH2S/ref=sr_1_1?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1367512903&sr=1-1&keywords=2+channel+receiver

Gasp, sony. I have read in several different places that it will put out about 60 watts rms at clipping. I don't know if that will be enough because we tend to turn it up louder as the beers flow...

http://www.amazon.com/Sherwood-RX-4105-Stereo-Receiver-Black/dp/B0002EPWC0/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1367508722&sr=8-5&keywords=2+channel+receiver

If this could give me like 80 watts x2 rms I'd be happy.

http://www.amazon.com/InsigniaTM-NS-R2001-Channel-Stereo-Receiver/dp/B004H1PJAE/ref=sr_1_5?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1367512903&sr=1-5&keywords=2+channel+receiver

I doubt this can give me 50 watts.

http://www.amazon.com/AudioSource-AMP-100-Stereo-Power-Amplifier/dp/B00026BQJ6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1367513818&sr=8-1&keywords=audio+source+amplifier

This appears that it will atleast give me a clean 50wpc, but since I'll be hooking an ipod directly, I don't even get the most basic "bass" "treble" eq.

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=300-383

Then there's this dayton, I can always count on them... except for this one occasion. They won't even list distortion at 50wpc, so I don't know.

So there's a lot of bottom feeders to choose from. I know were talking low quality here, but I left some of the brands that don't even fit in that catagory, like pyle tongue.gif . I'll either be powering a pair of super cheap bookshelves, or better yet, maybe some ported enclosures for these:

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=290-379

I know they must sound like... well I don't know but, it's 30hz for $26. I'm willing to bet I couldn't find an all-in-one bookshelf box system that would sound better than this setup, which is what I was originally gonna do. But I like to turn a 15 minute task into a weekend project smile.gif
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Only 12 hours a month... you need to brew more. :P

Why not use craigslist. I have been brewing outside and have outdoor speakers connected to my home system. Where do you brew?

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We setup a brewing area in the basement, we haul it all outside when we feel like it, were we spend our other 12 hours a month lol. We just upgraded to 10 gallon batches so we don't brew as often. We do enjoy the process but we have a lot of thirsty friends so we still brew about once a week.

As for craigslist... I ran into this problem before with another budget project. Everyone wants $100 for what they think is gold, but really it's just the receiver from a htib. I think most of them don't realize they are selling garbage and when I offer them $20 for it they think I'm low balling them. I'll keep looking but honestly for $100 bucks I'd be better off with one of these NEW pieces of junk, and when we beat the hell out of it clipping it outside, atleast it's under waranty.
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Erich has some inexpensive kits that apparently are pretty awesome. http://www.diysoundgroup.com/speaker-kits.html

I'm building my own from the SEOS project as we speak.

As far as amp.. are you trying to go 5.1 or does it matter. What' the room size?

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Sounds like a good excuse to upgrade your main system and demote the old unit to brewery duty. Have a few beers and the idea will grow on you. Trust me.

I used a pair of cosmetically-challenged JBL L36 in my garage brewery for years. If you can get lucky on something similar....
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Sounds like a good excuse to upgrade your main system and demote the old unit to brewery duty. Have a few beers and the idea will grow on you. Trust me.

I used a pair of cosmetically-challenged JBL L36 in my garage brewery for years. If you can get lucky on something similar....

Ha.. guess it depends on what he has. I'm about to replace my Klipsch RB-75 system with SOES/TD12M system. Can't imagine using those klipsch for brewery. biggrin.gifwink.gif

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Nice find.

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WOW. That's what I was looking for, dirt cheap.
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Sounds like a good excuse to upgrade your main system and demote the old unit to brewery duty. Have a few beers and the idea will grow on you. Trust me.

I used a pair of cosmetically-challenged JBL L36 in my garage brewery for years. If you can get lucky on something similar....

Don't know the model number off hand, but I grabbed a decent yamaha during black friday. It is just able to power my speakers enough to compete with the lilmike f20, which is good enough for me. I usually like to run the f20 hot anyway so sometimes it actually runs out before my mains (I have a bass addiction). So I'm pretty satisfied for a few minutes. To go off on a tangent, I was going to do a FULL stentorian build with 4x f20's, but I'm searching for something else now because the aura's are all gone frown.gif

Back on subject, I need a little bang for zero buck, and that best buy refurb completely meets my goal. Plus it has a preout, I can throw my f20 on it since my current theater plans just got spoiled by the aura shortage.
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Ha.. guess it depends on what he has. I'm about to replace my Klipsch RB-75 system with SOES/TD12M system. Can't imagine using those klipsch for brewery. biggrin.gifwink.gif

every thing gets ruined or dropped or spilled on in the brewery... I can barely keep my equipment in order, plus water everywhere. I'd install some full rangers on the ceiling, but that's where the beer goes when I decide I don't need a blow off tongue.gif
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http://www.diysoundgroup.com/speaker-kits/os-speaker-kit.html

I'm going to try and grab this cheap bestbuy amp in a second. Do you think this speaker build is better than me tuning enclosures for the 8" goldwood fullrange drivers? I haven't modeled them yet, but I could be getting atleast a 40hz tune ported with them if they are somewhat close to their specs.

Amps aside, these 2 speaker options are tough for me. Go with the linked speaker plans, or the crappy full range ones. They are close enough for me to assume they are the same price, amount of work does not matter, my labor is always 0.01 per hour mwahaha
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every thing gets ruined or dropped or spilled on in the brewery... I can barely keep my equipment in order, plus water everywhere. I'd install some full rangers on the ceiling, but that's where the beer goes when I decide I don't need a blow off tongue.gif
Heh, I have tan stains on my popcorn ceiling after brewing my first triple.

I brew in the kitchen and use my old Pioneer VSX1014 since I upgraded to the SC1222. A pair of infinity beta20s are it for now. I didn't even have music playing while bottling tonight - a 14.7% imperial stout.

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does it have to be a reciever ?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Channel-2000-watts-Professional-Power-DJ-Amplifier-USB-Slot-Rack-mount-MUSYSIC-/121066495945?pt=US_DJ_Mixers&hash=item1c30201fc9

i use the next model up on my mains and have even used it for sub duty and its always worked great , the one i use is the 4500 model
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every thing gets ruined or dropped or spilled on in the brewery... I can barely keep my equipment in order, plus water everywhere. I'd install some full rangers on the ceiling, but that's where the beer goes when I decide I don't need a blow off tongue.gif

Sounds like you need to look at marine/outdoor speakers wink.gif

Get 2 pair of these.....they are 4 ohm.....

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=269-515
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Heh, I have tan stains on my popcorn ceiling after brewing my first triple.

I brew in the kitchen and use my old Pioneer VSX1014 since I upgraded to the SC1222. A pair of infinity beta20s are it for now. I didn't even have music playing while bottling tonight - a 14.7% imperial stout.

We kegged a batch of mint raspberry imperial stout a couple weeks ago, ended up around 13%. Let it age since november, crazy tasting beer for sure. I thought about a cheap pro amp but I'd like to be able to have a couple features to adjust the sound, which is why I'm going for a bare bones receiver instead. Those outdoor speakers look nice, but I've never heard outdoor speakers that sound good, they always sound like an ipod dock or something.

Not that I'm looking for the best quality though, but I guess I want better than what I have right now, which is an ipod dock.
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Update... been away from the forum for a while and just updating some posts that I left open. I solved my problem. I ended up stumbling across an amp at a yard sale. For five dollars. And. It. Owns!

It's pretty old, and it can't compete with the yamaha in my living room, but for what I payed I'm more than satisfied. I'm not near it right now, but if anyone is curious I can break out a model number tomorrow. It's advertised as 50 watts per channel (2 channels). I grabbed a pair of old mtm kenwood bookshelves that my dad wasn't using. When you try and up the built in eq slider for bass it all goes to hell, but if you keep that down it gets plenty loud.

If I paid $100 bucks for it, I'd be bummed. But I paid $5 for the entire setup so I think I won. There are so many amps and speakers in this house, I guess I can live with the fact that each one won't win an spl and distortion contest.
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It sounds like the perfect (disposable) set-up for a home brewery given the kind of help you are likely to get when brewing. For the uninitiated, the guys that show to "help" brew usually spend a couple of hours working to empty kegs and bottles to make space for the next batch. It is a tough job, but someone has to do it. wink.gif
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What can I get for 5 dollars?

Anything you want..

Anything?

Anything...

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Update... been away from the forum for a while and just updating some posts that I left open. I solved my problem. I ended up stumbling across an amp at a yard sale. For five dollars. And. It. Owns!

It's pretty old, and it can't compete with the yamaha in my living room, but for what I payed I'm more than satisfied. I'm not near it right now, but if anyone is curious I can break out a model number tomorrow. It's advertised as 50 watts per channel (2 channels). I grabbed a pair of old mtm kenwood bookshelves that my dad wasn't using. When you try and up the built in eq slider for bass it all goes to hell, but if you keep that down it gets plenty loud.

If I paid $100 bucks for it, I'd be bummed. But I paid $5 for the entire setup so I think I won. There are so many amps and speakers in this house, I guess I can live with the fact that each one won't win an spl and distortion contest.
No for the real questions. Now that you have it setup, what are you going to brew?

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My next batch is either going to be an IPA with belgium yeast, pumpkin ale, or maybe a really hopper lagar. Or maybe all 3.
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My next batch is either going to be an IPA with belgium yeast, pumpkin ale, or maybe a really hopper lagar. Or maybe all 3.

Id' do all 3 of course. can't have too much beer biggrin.gif. I got a milkstout bottling, a brown ale brewing and a belgian Saison entering the fermentor biggrin.gif
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My next batch is either going to be an IPA with belgium yeast, pumpkin ale, or maybe a really hopper lagar. Or maybe all 3.

In my keg I have an IBA (indian blonde ale) that I came up with. It turned out quite good. I'll tweak the receipt just smidgen to make it better. Next up is an IPA, Pumpkin Spiced Ale and Stout.

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Id' do all 3 of course. can't have too much beer biggrin.gif. I got a milkstout bottling, a brown ale brewing and a belgian Saison entering the fermentor biggrin.gif
Damn.. lots of brewing going on.

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I really want to get into brewing... I've got like 4 speaker designs in the works in my head, and I can barely find the time to work on my current 3 way tower project eek.gif Only 10 more years for military retirement cool.gif
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Need to keg the IPA and brew up the James Brown Ale this weekend. Also need to rearrange the speakers and electronics in the brewery/shop and keep working on the design for some multi-use curved cabinets.
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I really want to get into brewing... I've got like 4 speaker designs in the works in my head, and I can barely find the time to work on my current 3 way tower project eek.gif Only 10 more years for military retirement cool.gif
Try wine making, much more time between each step.

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Try wine making, much more time between each step.

I'm sure my wife would enjoy that. I'm a beer drinker though, never really acquired a taste for wine.
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For a cheao nice set of speakers why not make overnight sensations?

Thats what I plan to use in my bathroom
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