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Well it really depends on the room and set up.

In a normal consumer home, or with poor set up the SEOS are not going to win. There's no question about that.

In a large sound treated theater and proper set up and calibration - they probably would easily.

Certain parts and certain designs lend them self well to certain applications.

I wouldn't want a SEOS in a living room with hard wood floors and peak ceiling - lol.

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Lol, I have both hard floors and a center peaked ceiling. I am very happy. smile.gif
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I would imagine that the Seos will sound great, but you may not like the sound compared to you N803's, especially for 2-channel, but none the less, I absolutely can not wait to hear your comparison between these and your Nautilus 803's!
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I wouldn't want a SEOS in a living room with hard wood floors and peak ceiling - lol.

Actually the main appeal of the SEOS design is that it minimizes reflections from the floor, ceiling, and side walls. The sound is aimed at the listening position.
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I would imagine that the Seos will sound great, but you may not like the sound compared to you N803's, especially for 2-channel, but none the less, I absolutely can not wait to hear your comparison between these and your Nautilus 803's!

It is not about which is better, it will be about how close the SEOS comes for much less in price. One could always build a more expensive seos speaker to match them and still save money. I find it fun to discover better performance for less money.
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It is not about which is better, it will be about how close the SEOS comes for much less in price. One could always build a more expensive seos speaker to match them and still save money. I find it fun to discover better performance for less money.

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Hey bass you have the 803 nautilus (803n) right? Have you ever compared them to the 803 diamonds?
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Hey bass you have the 803 nautilus (803n) right? Have you ever compared them to the 803 diamonds?
Nope. I'm afraid if I did, that I would like it so much more that my current ones that they would then sound like "garbage" to me. cool.gif

I would expect the diamonds to have a touch more bass, and more transparent highs. But for $10,000 more.... they better. (They better come with some free blow and a hooker too.)

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What is your room and set up look like ? Do you have AT ?

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Actually the main appeal of the SEOS design is that it minimizes reflections from the floor, ceiling, and side walls. The sound is aimed at the listening position.

You beat me to it. That is one of the main appeals of the SEOS, less room interaction.

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It still interacts and I'd imagine they can sound harsh in a poor environment.

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It still interacts and I'd imagine they can sound harsh in a poor environment.

What makes the B&W perform "better" in this "poor environment"?

This is what they are trying to explain. The SEOS , or any directivity based design, has a better chance for sounding BETTER in non-treated, non-optimal rooms BECAUSE of its ability to "focus" the sound where you want it.

In a treated room, the SEOS will not shine as easily. I will be surprised if he doesn't prefer the speakers he already has. It will not be because of the SEOS waveguide, but because of the woofer choice. An increase of what, $800 total , puts him into AE woofers with his build...I just cant see spending $3k on a hope, when $3.8k will actually get you there.
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What makes the B&W perform "better" in this "poor environment"?

This is what they are trying to explain. The SEOS , or any directivity based design, has a better chance for sounding BETTER in non-treated, non-optimal rooms BECAUSE of its ability to "focus" the sound where you want it.

In a treated room, the SEOS will not shine as easily. I will be surprised if he doesn't prefer the speakers he already has. It will not be because of the SEOS waveguide, but because of the woofer choice. An increase of what, $800 total , puts him into AE woofers with his build...I just cant see spending $3k on a hope, when $3.8k will actually get you there.

Yes, this is what we are referring to. Should have explained why the SEOS design would be better, rather than just saying less interaction.

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What is your room and set up look like ? Do you have AT ?

The speakers won't be behind a screen. In theater v2 I might think about it, but that's like 10 years away.
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It still interacts and I'd imagine they can sound harsh in a poor environment.

I don't have to worry about the "poor environment" aspect.
I'd say my acoustics are better than all but the professionally tuned rooms (more or less); and by professional I mean that that is their primary job and that they have been doing it for at good 10 years or more; or some such...

I mean, I demoed my system to my brother in-laws friends and 10 seconds into "Imagine Dragons - Radioactive" he was jumping up and down and giving my high fives... and I don't even know this dude; and that's just on the "small" 7inch B&W mains yet smile.gif

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I had an OCD meltdown. Here's my first stab at the XO. Do not cross the streams!!!!!! biggrin.giftongue.gifwink.gif

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The xover on the left, one inductor should be standing up.

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The xover on the left, one inductor should be standing up.

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Standing one up would be a good idea, if he puts them closer than shown. Right now, they look like they are more than 20CM center to center.

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They are ~90mm apart or 3.5inches.
20cm is 8 inches, which is nearly the length of the whole board.

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They are ~90mm apart or 3.5inches.
20cm is 8 inches, which is nearly the length of the whole board.

Then rotate one. I stand corrected. smile.gif

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Needed more "things", does it ever end??? redface.gif

My Rat Shack iron broke and I forget 14 of the bus bars.

I also needed an adapter for my headphones for the Oppo 105.

Also an 2x4 HDMI matrixer, for matrixing the 105/HTPC/Cable TV (source) Projector/Monitor (display) together. This will bypass the 105's HDMI-In as it only has 1 input.

and another long HDMI for that, eventually I'll look into wireless HDMI but this $10 will make-do for now...


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So with my OCD in nasty-inductor-hyperdrive.

Here's v2.0 biggrin.gif



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I just ordered the tweeters. Probably the best $900 I ever spent... Guess we'll find out when they be's here. biggrin.gif


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Why didn't you order the kits weeks ago?


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Hopefully there are enough 350's left. I bet I was working on the page while you were checking out. Right after I changed the page and hit 'save' to let people know those CD's were nearly gone, I saw that you placed your order. We should be okay though, but it's going to be close.


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Why didn't you order the kits weeks ago?

Couldn't afford it. I've spent about $30,000 beefing up my theater just in 2013 alone redface.gif
Want to take on some of my debt load so I can spend faster? (no) hehe, that's what I thought! biggrin.gif

One can not be in a hurry when dealing with systems this expensive (unless you're Bill Gates of course).
It's taken me 10 years to get this far, with no End Date in sight.

Bills still need to be paid, things go on sale and that changes the order of events (if your trying to not lose more money than necessary that is).
Things take as long as they need to take; just imagine how long it would be if my gear started failing and needing replacement for like-value,
if it was a core component of my system it could nearly be the death of me; I'd have to scale back to "normal folk" gear or take the hit and wait it out, or falsify an insurance claim. eek.gif

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