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How would Erich's 4 cu.ft box , an SI 18 and Behring EP2000 compare to a Outlaw LFM-1 EX? I realize these are totally different but trying to gauge the two. It will be for a HT (50% movies, 25% gaming, 25% music) ..... roughly 5600 cu. ft opening to rest of house though through an open doorway. I'm not looking for pressurization at this volume, just some added low end.

I have been reading the forums and the general consensus is DIY can yield very good results. I have not found any direct comparisons to ID companies though.

Maybe this is to apples to oranges, but this is where I am at in my decision tree right now.
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Yes it is apples to oranges. However, I visited a few houses with DIY speakers lately and was amazed by the quality vs what they spent. In short, if you have the time SEOS designs + Sealed Subs = incredible bang for buck. The key is "time" and not "pants on head stupid around power tools".

If you look at quite a few of the "dedicated HT builds", you will see DIY speakers all over the place. Think about it...people dropping $30k+ on a single room are going for DIY speakers.

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an SI will be better. But a lot of people find more enjoyment in DIY speakers, because you actually build it yourself, it gives you more satisfaction I find because you built it instead of some factory.
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an SI will be slightly better. But a lot of people find more enjoyment in DIY speakers, because you actually build it yourself, it gives you more satisfaction I find because you built it instead of some factory.

5db to 10db stronger from 25hz to 100hz is not just a little bit better.

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5db to 10db stronger from 25hz to 100hz is not just a little bit better.

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Thank you all for the insight. Looks like it is a combination of performance, price, and a lot of pride. Factoring pride in makes the descision even harder.

Dominguez, thank you for the output traces. 10db is a pretty healthy improvement. I wonder how clean it is.
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this would be my rough guesstimation for comparo performane. 350 watts ported 12 inch driver, grey. 1000 watts sealed 18 inch driver, green. no eq applied to either. in the 20-30hz region, where the addition of the port helps increase spl, they might be close. otherwise, the 18 will have more potential everywhere else.


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FWIW, I have auditioned REL Gibralter G1, REL Stentor, JM Labs Electra 1000 BE, owned DefTech SC Ref, Klipsch SW112, SW115, and SUB12............ but the subs in my signature smoke em all big time.

Honestly speaking, DIY is the route to bass nirvana for a fraction of factory subs' cost.

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I wonder how clean it is.



I have 8 of the 18" SI's but was running just one for awhile while I built the rest. I still had one of my Submersives at the time and I did a ton of listening back and forth between the single SI and the Submersive. The SI sounded every bit as good/tight/clean/etc. and in a blind test I don't know if I would have been able to tell which was which.
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I have 8 of the 18" SI's but was running just one for awhile while I built the rest. I still had one of my Submersives at the time and I did a ton of listening back and forth between the single SI and the Submersive. The SI sounded every bit as good/tight/clean/etc. and in a blind test I don't know if I would have been able to tell which was which.

+1. My dual SI 18s with EQ are indistinguishable from my old Submersive, and have more power. The Submersive is half the size though physically, and it is much easier to just plug and play than spending a month building a box and painting it.

The DIY flat packs are a godsend, but there was no dual opposed box for my setup, or my dimensions. (I like a tall box taking up less floor space)
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