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I am interested in building a PA or DJ speaker for playing loud music at events and parties. Personal use.

I have a budget about $500 (but I'd be curious what I can do for less or for more $)

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I would increase the budget so you can include a sub.

 

http://www.diysoundgroup.com/waveguide-speaker-kits/bwaslo-15-kit.html

 

Pick one of the pro subs.

http://www.billfitzmaurice.com/index.html

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I have two 15" subs smile.gif

I just need full range monitors. I have two crappy Naddy 15" PA speakers with compression horns I'm not satisfied with.

Looking to build something better.

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Thanks for links !!!

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http://www.avsforum.com/t/1476884/two-bogen-a6t-and-gs60-amp#post_23417587

I also have two of the A8 speakers for sale. Let me know if you are interested.

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Look on craigslist. You can find some great deals on there. Might want to step up to some active speakers so you don't have to carry an amp.
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you can generally score a pair of jbl 215 on CL around that price- anything but the SRX.
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Look on craigslist. You can find some great deals on there. Might want to step up to some active speakers so you don't have to carry an amp.

I have a crown amp to drive them. I already own some speakers that I just want to upgrade to better sound. We use them when we jam sometimes, and for 4th july parties and such.

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Look on craigslist. You can find some great deals on there. Might want to step up to some active speakers so you don't have to carry an amp.

I'd like to build something better than a normal MFG made I can buy for $500.

You think I could buy something better for $500 on craiglist better than I could build myself for the same $500 ?

My experience is used speakers on craigs list, particularly pro audio, is beat on hard and not great sounding anymore.

My priority is great sound at good volume. Indoors and out. My budget is flexible but the real pro audio stuff I like is much more money. I was wondering how close I can get to a pro audio set up that costs $2500 if I DIY.

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on a limited budget and with only 15" woofers for the bottom, i'd say you are a delta pro 12a/seos/dna360 candidate.

http://www.diysoundgroup.com/waveguide-speaker-kits/fusion-series-kits/fusion12-kit.html

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I thought those were home theater speakers ?

Are they really up for getting beat on ?

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They use quality components, more so then most PA speakers. I'd say they are up to the task.
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Thanks. I am considering doing a DIY speaker build for my theater but I am confused which to get. I'll check that out too.. might be good practice.

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Thanks. I am considering doing a DIY speaker build for my theater but I am confused which to get. I'll check that out too.. might be good practice.

How much can you spend and how big of an enclosure you want?
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Budget on parts and supplies =$2500

I have three subs and would build one more later.

I have all the tools and wood skills.

I'd love to spend less, and I could probably stretch if there was a serious improvement to be had at next level up.

Suggestions ?

Theater is 32x24

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You may want to take a look at BFM's site. He has alot to offer for PA applications.
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personally I love the below speakers for outdoor parties...We use them at tail gate parties every year.....loud and awesome!!

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Behringer-EUROLIVE-VP2520-2000W-Dual-15--PA-Speaker-105480545-i1448426.gc


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Budget on parts and supplies =$2500

I have three subs and would build one more later.

I have all the tools and wood skills.

I'd love to spend less, and I could probably stretch if there was a serious improvement to be had at next level up.

Suggestions ?

Theater is 32x24

 

Three of these for the LCR

http://www.diysoundgroup.com/waveguide-speaker-kits/fusion12-kit.html

 

Plus the flat packs

http://www.diysoundgroup.com/flat-packs-1/seos-flat-packs/2-cuft-tall-seos-flat-pack.html

 

 

Two of these for surrounds

http://www.diysoundgroup.com/waveguide-speaker-kits/fusion8-kit.html

 

and the two flat packs

http://www.diysoundgroup.com/flat-packs-1/seos-flat-packs/eos-8-flat-pack.html

 

 

Thats a subtotal of $1524. You could build your own enclosures if you want to save some more money.

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personally I love the below speakers for outdoor parties...We use them at tail gate parties every year.....loud and awesome!!

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Behringer-EUROLIVE-VP2520-2000W-Dual-15--PA-Speaker-105480545-i1448426.gc


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I'm a fan of my bfm subs, have built several, and would recommend a t48 with an inuke1000 and two bfm dr250. I use two powered Mackie 450 v1 with a pair of 30" t48s v-plated which is more than enough for 200 people. The dr250s would destroy my Mackies, and I plan to build a set if my Mackies die.
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Budget on parts and supplies =$2500


I have three subs and would build one more later.


I have all the tools and wood skills.


I'd love to spend less, and I could probably stretch if there was a serious improvement to be had at next level up.


Suggestions ?


Theater is 32x24

Three of these for the LCR
http://www.diysoundgroup.com/waveguide-speaker-kits/fusion12-kit.html

Plus the flat packs
http://www.diysoundgroup.com/flat-packs-1/seos-flat-packs/2-cuft-tall-seos-flat-pack.html


Two of these for surrounds
http://www.diysoundgroup.com/waveguide-speaker-kits/fusion8-kit.html

and the two flat packs
http://www.diysoundgroup.com/flat-packs-1/seos-flat-packs/eos-8-flat-pack.html


Thats a subtotal of $1524. You could build your own enclosures if you want to save some more money.


Hey thanks for this !!!!

How about 11.2 or 14.2?

I'm thinking 4 sides and two back surrounds because my theater is three rows and 30 feet long. (32 minus false screen wall 30").

what about wide or height ?


I'd build my own enclosure for sure.

What is the next step up for comparison ?

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You can use the Fusion-8 for all sides and wide/heights. I don't know what Eric is going to release in the future so something better might come up as far speakers go.

 

If you want to step it up you can go with the Fusion-15 Sentinel for the LCR

http://www.diysoundgroup.com/waveguide-speaker-kits/fusion15-kit.html

 

and the Fusion-10 MAX for everything else

http://www.diysoundgroup.com/waveguide-speaker-kits/fusion-series-kits/fusion10-max-kit.html

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You can use the Fusion-8 for all sides and wide/heights. I don't know what Eric is going to release in the future so something better might come up as far speakers go.

If you want to step it up you can go with the Fusion-15 Sentinel for the LCR
http://www.diysoundgroup.com/waveguide-speaker-kits/fusion15-kit.html

and the Fusion-10 MAX for everything else
http://www.diysoundgroup.com/waveguide-speaker-kits/fusion-series-kits/fusion10-max-kit.html

now,

What is better about these?

Is it just the larger woofer size ? Or is there actually better SQ? Or just more volume ?

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What is the next step up for comparison ?
DR280 tops and T60 subs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LyOfK-Xng4

You might not need as many as they use. biggrin.gif

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Wow thanks for the links and video guys!

I'm still confused. eek.gif

First - Mrkazador recommended the fusion-12 and fusion 8. They looked great. I asked what was the next step up in quality and the fusion 15 and fusion 10 was recommend. I assumed these are the next step up with larger woofers- but what I still would like to know is do they sound better? Or do they just sound louder? Or handle more power ?

Bill and Jeff both had some great suggestions too. But I am not sure if these suggestions are about the original topic and thread title - *Music DJ PA speaker or about the sub conversation about 11.2 theater speakers.

I am assuming by the videos - They mean them as suggestion for a quality DJ style speaker for indoor and outdoor parties. Correct?

Sorry to ask again- but the side conversation about the 11.2 speakers for theater got me side tracked and confused. I just want to be clear.

Special thanks for all the great replies and help! biggrin.gif

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I am assuming by the videos - They mean them as suggestion for a quality DJ style speaker for indoor and outdoor parties. Correct?
DR280 and T60 are very much high end pro-sound speakers, but MKtheater uses somewhat smaller DR250s in his HT, and I suspect sooner or later he'll go to DR280. eek.gif
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"but what I still would like to know is do they sound better? Or do they just sound louder?"

they will sound better at higher volumes.

if you want something that might sound a little better for a given volume
and also sound louder at higher volumes, then you need better woofer technology
such as that used in the ae td15m, jbl 2226h, or something like that. of course,
that costs more money.

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How much more money ?

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well, most of the highish end mid-woofers cost around $300-400 for just the driver.

http://aespeakers.com/shop/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=56&osCsid=59bb12b340f54657ac8e72d06b8787c6

though you might be able to find the jbl 2226h used in good shape, as it is one of the most popular
midwoofers in existance and has been around a long time.

but then, you will want to upgrade from there to the bms coaxial midrange/horn combo or
perhaps a large format horn/berrylium compression driver and either of those costs around $1,000 or more.

so you can see, it just keeps going up.

that is why getting anything for the price of a fusion kit, or even a 4pi kit, is amazing
and the fact that they are good performers makes them tremendous values.

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