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I am looking to replace my JBL L890 mains with a SEOS build. I would like more clarity and openness. I want to hear the faint creak of a floor in a movie track as clear as a rock-nroll cowbell. I have had some of this discussion with Erich via email, just looking to get a little more feedback.

I will be building a theater in a new home sometime in the not-too-distant future. The room will be 25X16X9. I am pushing 60 so I am not looking for reference levels, (although I do like loud) because my years of loud rock have taken their toll in terms of tinitis. My plan is to use sound containment best practices in the new build, as well as treatments to get the best possible sound out of the room.

My question is, how much, if anything would I gain by building the Tempest 12 as opposed to the Cheap Thrill? My current plan is to cross these to my Outlaw subwoofers. I'll be driving these with Crown XLS 402s.

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Cheap thrills wastes everything in its path for the price IF you can handle the size.
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I think he's wondering if the more expensive option is worth it by comparison.

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I think he's wondering if the more expensive option is worth it by comparison.

Yup. Precisely.
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I'm not sure what was unclear? I'd buy the cheap thrills if size isn't an issue
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I'm not sure what was unclear? I'd buy the cheap thrills if size isn't an issue

cheap thrills are better than tempests or sentinels?
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I'm not sure what was unclear? I'd buy the cheap thrills if size isn't an issue

Answers my question, and yes, I can handle the size. These will be behind an a 141" wide 2.35 Seymour XD screen.

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If size isn't an issue, the cheap thrill is the best deal going. They won't always be around either. Once the buyout is over, they will be gone for good.

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Thanks to everyone for their input. Especially Erich who traded emails with me several times this week.

Parts Express shows the Celestion 15" buyout price ends Monday; ordered them and the kits today. Should be fun. It will be my first foray into speaker building. Looking forward to it.
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Actually their new sales flier shows the $49 sale price continuing until August 31st, but who knows if the stock will last that long.

It is a really good design and the price to performance ratio is unbeatable, I think you made a great first step into the world of DIY.
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Will you build 3 for your Left - Center - Right main speakers or just two with some hybrid Center speaker?

I elected to go with three and I ordered my crossover components today! biggrin.gif

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Will you build 3 for your Left - Center - Right main speakers or just two with some hybrid Center speaker?

Using these as LCR.
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I'm still learning, so please be gentle...

Why DNA-350 over the 360?

Why SEOS 12 over the 15?
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This is a budget build, the DNA-350 offers most the performance of the 360 but costs 30% less.

The SEOS-15 is not yet available in plastic (Pre-order status right now).
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I sure wish Erich H would come out with a flat pack to complement this design !!

Hint....Hint



A few hours later.......

WooooHoooo !!! Erich is looking into offering a flat pack for the Cheap Thrills kit !
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Can someone please tell me what the "cheap thrills" speaker consist of with regards to drivers and enclosure diminisons? I haven't heard of this speaker. Is it similar to the Seos based designs?
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This is a budget build, the DNA-350 offers most the performance of the 360 but costs 30% less.

The SEOS-15 is not yet available in plastic (Pre-order status right now).

I ordered my Cheap Thrill kit from DIY Soundgroup, and asked for the DNA-360 (hasn't shipped yet, but I also asked for a 2.5 flat pack which doesn't exist yet, so I am being patient). I think the diff is about $20 per driver.

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Can someone please tell me what the "cheap thrills" speaker consist of with regards to drivers and enclosure diminisons? I haven't heard of this speaker. Is it similar to the Seos based designs?

This is a SEOS speaker design. I think what drove the design was a closeout that Parts Express had on a 15" full range speaker for the ridiculously low price of fifty bucks. The SEOS 12" SEOS complimented it, and Bill Waslo designed a crossover for it, and used components that were by far the best bang for the buck. The kit includes a 17" front baffle, then you order your separate XO parts from PE.

For the true DIY'ers, they can keep the overall cost down because they don't have to spring for having some lumber shipped to them, they can get a piece of MDF locally and build to their heart's desire. But there are guys out there like me, who are not qualified to handle anything sharper than a Twinkie who can't cut their own box without lopping off an ear. That make me more of an "assemble it yourself" guy, and thanks to my early success in grade school art class, I can handle gluing stuff.

So what I am saying to Erich is, help!

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Good news! Erich is designing a flat pack for the Cheap Thrills speaker kit. Unfortunately, the size of the woofer and the 2.5 ft^3 box volume requires nearly a full sheet of MDF, so the flat pack will cost roughly $100 (+/- $20) delivered to your door.

While I can make a box that is nearly square, I know it is not my first, second or third choice for things to do with my time. I'm just not sure that saving $50-$65 dollars per speaker for the enclosure is sufficient incentive for me to run to Home Depot and return with several sheets of MDF. Besides. I've got a Soffit/hush box to build!

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. But there are guys out there like me, who are not qualified to handle anything sharper than a Twinkie who can't cut their own box without lopping off an ear. That make me more of an "assemble it yourself" guy

I am so there . . .
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Fusion-12 is $384 with flat pack. It looks like the Cheap Thrill will run around $300 with the flat pack (and crossover components).

Are they close enough performers that the ~$85 per speaker savings is warranted?
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Thought about that and decided on an each basis, maybe not. But in multiples, probably. For LCR $85 becomes $255. Economy of scale I guess. YMMV.
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Fusion-12 is $384 with flat pack. It looks like the Cheap Thrill will run around $300 with the flat pack (and crossover components).

Are they close enough performers that the ~$85 per speaker savings is warranted?

I'd pick Fusion-12 over cheap thrill just because it has a cooler name :P
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Anyone compared them ?

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