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Ugh, 1099 reminds me of tax forms! biggrin.gif
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Ugh, 1099 reminds me of tax forms! biggrin.gif

lol, me 2.. I worked in taxes for a living and my wife still does so even the MENTION of 1099 sends me into chills and shaking biggrin.gif
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so even the MENTION of 1099 sends me into chills and shaking biggrin.gif

So will this speaker if you hear it tongue.gif
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So will this speaker if you hear it tongue.gif

ooooo, snappy comeback wink.gif
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Are the three boxes seperate for the tux 1090 ?The pictures make it look that way. Are you going to build another one with some of the changes you mentioned like woofers closer together ? How difficult a build is this one ?
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I made it modular, but I think the final will be a single box.

I haven't been able to rebuild it. I'm in the middle of a bathroom Reno. I'm doing it all, even building the vanity cabinet myself eek.gif
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I made it modular, but I think the final will be a single box.

I haven't been able to rebuild it. I'm in the middle of a bathroom Reno. I'm doing it all, even building the vanity cabinet myself eek.gif
Will the vanity have flanking in-wall SEOS speakers?!
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Great idea Anthony biggrin.gif

I had another listen yesterday on and off all day with a variety of music. I wanted a fresh listen after making such outrageous claims in my review the other day. Took a better photo while I was at it also.



Very exciting to listen to. The most memorable moments from yesterday were listening to the Canadian Tenors, the vocals sounded so life-like that it made me emotional. And listening to Lady Antabelum's "Hello World" there's a part where the song fads to silence and then all instruments come back in at once. I wasn't really paying attention when the song faded. When they came back in I was startled by the crack of the drums. Truly dynamic.

I stand by what I said before. smile.gif
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Not really. But I think WTMW will asthetically fit better with center channels, and get the tweeter closer to ear height. Maybe a little low. Also kills the ceiling and floor reflection better.
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Are the three boxes seperate for the tux 1090 ?The pictures make it look that way. Are you going to build another one with some of the changes you mentioned like woofers closer together ? How difficult a build is this one ?

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I made it modular, but I think the final will be a single box.

I haven't been able to rebuild it. I'm in the middle of a bathroom Reno. I'm doing it all, even building the vanity cabinet myself eek.gif

You know, a flatpack built for a single box (instead of three separate enclosures) but with three separate baffle pieces would give you the best of both worlds in that you'd only have one flatpack design/kit, but the end user could orient the three baffle pieces in any configuration they were after. WTMW (vertical or horizontal) and TMWW (vertical). I wonder if that would be easily done or if I'm overlooking something obvious.

Though I suppose anyone could take a one piece baffle and make two cuts to achieve the same flexibility themselves.
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You know, a flatpack built for a single box (instead of three separate enclosures) but with three separate baffle pieces would give you the best of both worlds in that you'd only have one flatpack design/kit, but the end user could orient the three baffle pieces in any configuration they were after. WTMW (vertical or horizontal) and TMWW (vertical). I wonder if that would be easily done or if I'm overlooking something obvious.

Though I suppose anyone could take a one piece baffle and make two cuts to achieve the same flexibility themselves.

might not work with the internal bracing
but it could prob be done
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Not really. But I think WTMW will asthetically fit better with center channels, and get the tweeter closer to ear height. Maybe a little low. Also kills the ceiling and floor reflection better.

cool, yea i was thinking in WTMW it woudl be better for ear height

can this work as a TMW for someone who does not want such a large speaker, its a nifty design and im just cuious as there arent any other TWM type SEOS designs yet
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Ya, the TMW is coming. I'll use the Delta 10a instead of the 10b. Then someone could use the WTMW for the center, and TMW for LR. The dual woofer version does have a lot of advantages though, so I would encourage the use of the dual woofer design. It would only be if the form factor is an issue. I doubt the $80 saved would be an issue. Although it might be more like $100 considering the size of the box. Still though, worth the $100. Unless I change my mind once I'm done the TMW, doubtful wink.gif
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I'd own this if I didn't have a LCD. Hell I may just go horizontal center and get it anyway when the time comes.

A bit off topic, but do you have any close-up shots of the triangle ports? I'm assuming there is a bit of an edge in the corners where the baffle has rounded edges but the actual ports are pointed. Does this cause any problems? Could it?
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Hey John. It can be used as a horizontal center no problem. That's why it was designed.

I'll get a photo of the ports, but the final speaker will likely be round ports as that's easier. I did it this way cause I thought it looked cool, and I had MDF but couldn't find ports the right size kicking around my shop. So it's what I did. Sharp edges aren't a big deal with ports. Rounded edges can help reduce port noise, but there isn't any. I cross to subs at 80hz, and I don't think the ports even do anything, hehe.
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I was just wondering about the internal edge of the baffle inside the port. I like the idea of triangle ports as a way to decrease the height of a cab by being southwest and southeast of the woofer as opposed to below it, if that makes sense. I'm just thinking the transition between inside of the baffle meeting the port would be a sharp edge. Not sure whether I'm making sense or thinking too hard...
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Oh I see what you mean. I don't think that's an issue though. It can be sharp in the prt and still get a round over on the baffle.
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Tux ,
Just curious how you picked the exact speakers for your build ?how did you know the eminence model you picked was the right one. They have so many models. I have never heard of the mid range 5" that you picked . Do you have a link to it somewhere . I am asking from the standpoint of not knowing much about speaker design . It must seem hard with so many choices to choose from
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gosh damnit.... just after I build 3 cheap thrills I see this build... makes me wanna start building more... but the wife would destroy me (especially since I'm already building quard SI 18's already)
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Chalugadp, I didn't know. Sometimes it doesn't work out. But you can make a very educated guess. And you start with some basic requirements. For me those were 16ohm, high sensitivity, 10", reasonabl price, etc. that narrows your search considerably.

I wasn't so worried about the woofers. I was pretty sure they'd work out. The tweeter was mandatory. This speaker had to use the SEOS 10. The mids however were a Hail Mary. I had no idea if they'd be good. I had never used a celestion product, let alone one without much user info. They ended up fitting the bill nicely, but I was prepared to ditch them and start over. And that happens often, believe me.

The mid is a celestion from PE. It comes in ferrite and neo. It's kind of a one trick pony, and this is it.
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Thanks
13 bucks is a good deal for those celestions
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can it be made into an 11" tall center channel?
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Tux, what are the model numbers for those Celestion mids and Eminence woofers? How much do you think this DIY speaker will cost in the overall parts? I need to build some surrounds for sides & rears of my theater, and I can't decide between the Karma-8's, the Karma-10's or the Fusion-8's. or I might hold out until the Seos-10 arrives and build some of these speakers that you are designing. I would really like to wait until the Seos-15 comes out, and do a build that I can try as a LCR in my theater to compare against my current LCR's, then move the ones that I like the least to surround duty, only problem is that I am kind of getting low on funds, and there are no existing Seos-15 designs with cheaper woofers.
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Stdgz, probably, but it would be a tight fit. Ill measure today and see if it could be squeezed into 11". I wouldn't want that as the flat pack dimension though.
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Marty. I can't remember the celestion. There's 4 similar models. I have to pop them out before I give the info to Erich. The woofers are delta 10b. All the parts without a baffle and shipping come in around $300. Probably a little over $300.

My guess is its. $450 speaker by the time you pay for shipping, a flat pack, paint, screws, wire, solder, etc.
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Marty, there were a few 5" mid woofers that were considered. The end speaker design probably used these:

10" Delta-10B
Celestion TF0510


http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=294-2050

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=290-413


The SEOS-10 and SEOS-15 are coming soon and there will be different priced designs around each one, just like the current 12" model.
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Will their be assembled xovers for these as well ?
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I'm guessing so. Even if not right away. It isn't a simple one.
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I'm guessing so. Even if not right away. It isn't a simple one.
I wouldn't buy without a pre assembled . I will wait to see initial reviews and if their as.good as I think they will be I will then.dive in.
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