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First HT setup for me I have done some car audio and built some sealed boxes and have enjoyed the results

front and surround 4 x http://www.diysoundgroup.com/waveguide-speaker-kits/fusion-series-kits/fusion8-kit.html
center http://www.diysoundgroup.com/waveguide-speaker-kits/fusion-series-kits/fusion8-mtm-kit.html as the center
all run by http://www.bestbuy.com/site/IN-Command+1645W+7.2-Ch.+Network-Ready+4K+Ultra+HD+and+3D+Pass-Through+A/V+Home+Theater+Receiver/7927072.p;jsessionid=76E3DF472F5689D4C1EBD789D8A33F6F.bbolsp-app02-177?id=1218862381761&skuId=7927072&st=avr-x4000&cp=1&lp=3

and then for the subs I was thinking two 15s in the front for the Fusion-8s to sit on
I just need input on which 15s and sealed or ported

the room will mostly be used for movies and games some TV and even less music



the room is the only thing upstairs in my house with attic space all around except the one side with the windows

I was thinking of getting the iNUKE NU4-6000 to power the subs http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/NU4-6000.aspx
would like to be able to add 2 more subs later in the back of the room maybe some 18s
do I need to get a 4 channel for this or can I use a 2 channel and use the left for the front and right for the back

4 x Alchemy 8 = $644
1 x Alchemy 8 MTM = $229
4 x .6 cuft EOS-8 box = $100
DENON AVR-X4000 = $700
amp depends if i need the 4 ch or just 2 ch from $400ish to $550ish

I am not committed to any of this yet so if you can come up with something better let me know

thanks for your input
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You say you're surrounded by attic? If that's the case, it seems like quite a waste to not build an infinite baffle subwoofer (or two... or three...).

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Im open to suggestions just not familiar with infinite baffle and what advantages it gives me and what the cost difference is

will it rattle the rest of my house more or less
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how are you getting the X4000 for 700? The link you gave is 1300
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I think it is a terrible idea to spend over $1,200 dollars on a receiver only to power mains that cost /$160ish dollars. If it were me, I would go with the Fusion-12-Tempest at $315 each for your LCR's for a total of $945 for the mains, and then use the Fusion-8's as surrounds at $161.00 each for a total of $322 for the surrounds. Then all the total for the speakers will be $1,267.00. Go with a couple of Dayton HO15's for the subwoofer duties for $173 each for a total of $346.00 and power them with a Behringer iNuke 1000Dsp for $300. Then I recommend buying a used receiver like a Denon AVR-2312 or a Denon AVR-1912, you should be able to get one for no more than $400.00. The grand total not including wood or other materials is approx $2,400.00 and will blow the socks off of your original plan!
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Im open to suggestions just not familiar with infinite baffle and what advantages it gives me and what the cost difference is

will it rattle the rest of my house more or less

Start here: http://ibsubwoofers.com/

As for rattling the rest of the house, there's not a huge difference between subwoofer designs. Bass waves propagate through houses pretty well. 115dB at 20Hz is going to be heard through the rest of the house regardless of how it was created. An IB subwoofer may be slightly worse in that regard, since the backwave is also able to contribute. But that backwave will be in your attic and has to get through piles of fluffy insulation before it could make it into the rest of the house anyway.

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DENON AVR-X4000 = $700

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Whoa, wait....what? If you have some info on scoring a Denon X4000 at $700 could you please let us know.

And yeah I would upgrade your mains, like martycool007 suggested. With that door on the screen wall and the room being 17' wide, you might be able to run a phantom center. Also have you thought about flipping the room so the screen is on the opposite wall? That way people could get up to use the bathroom without walking into anybody's field of view during the movie. Locating your LCR closer to the A/V closet will also lessen the length of cable needed. I dont know the size of that closet, but envision opening the door to a wall of movies and then have your rack on the right? Regarding your windows check out the "window plugs" in the HT section if you're interested in mitigating light during movies and then remove and toss in the A/V closet when you don't need them.

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how are you getting the X4000 for 700? The link you gave is 1300

friend can buy it at employee cost for me at Best Buy
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I think it is a terrible idea to spend over $1,200 dollars on a receiver only to power mains that cost /$160ish dollars. If it were me, I would go with the Fusion-12-Tempest at $315 each for your LCR's for a total of $945 for the mains, and then use the Fusion-8's as surrounds at $161.00 each for a total of $322 for the surrounds. Then all the total for the speakers will be $1,267.00. Go with a couple of Dayton HO15's for the subwoofer duties for $173 each for a total of $346.00 and power them with a Behringer iNuke 1000Dsp for $300. Then I recommend buying a used receiver like a Denon AVR-2312 or a Denon AVR-1912, you should be able to get one for no more than $400.00. The grand total not including wood or other materials is approx $2,400.00 and will blow the socks off of your original plan!

I would only spend $700 on the receiver as mentioned above
will the Tempest fit in with the Fusions I keep reading that they need to match one another

thanks for your input
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Methinks your friend needs to buy some more x4000's and share the wealth!!
I want one myself.
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friend can buy it at employee cost for me at Best Buy

That's an awesome deal! lucky!
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I would only spend $700 on the receiver as mentioned above
will the Tempest fit in with the Fusions I keep reading that they need to match one another

thanks for your input

I agree get tempests as the LCR. They will match relatively well as they are all horn speakers. It's a lot more important for the LCR to match than the surrounds to match the LCR, unless you are really into 5-channel SACD music or something.
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Tempest, or if you have woodworking abilities, the cheap thrill is a great deal. The tempest and the alchemy were both designed by Jeff bagby, so they should be voiced very similarly.
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I HIGHLY doubt best buy's discount will get it down that far. The way they used to do it when I worked there was 5% over their cost. I don't think they even do that anymore. Profit margins on receivers aren't generally that high.
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I HIGHLY doubt best buy's discount will get it down that far. The way they used to do it when I worked there was 5% over their cost. I don't think they even do that anymore. Profit margins on receivers aren't generally that high.

I didnt verify it I was just going by what he said I gave him the sku # and he sent me back a price lol
I really hope its that price since Im kinda set on getting it
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I'd be skeptical of that decent of a discount. I worked in home theater at best buy in the early 2000s and there was never really a high discount on any receivers due to the low profit margins. I thought i had heard that best buy doesn't do the good discount anymore either of 5% above cost. Maybe a bby employee can clarify. If that's the price he gave you though when entering the SKU then maybe it is correct.
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I'd be skeptical of that decent of a discount. I worked in home theater at best buy in the early 2000s and there was never really a high discount on any receivers due to the low profit margins. I thought i had heard that best buy doesn't do the good discount anymore either of 5% above cost. Maybe a bby employee can clarify. If that's the price he gave you though when entering the SKU then maybe it is correct.

last I heard was they still get cost +5% but no more then 50% off retail
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Back in the day, it was great to buy accessories, appliances, and car audio. Anything else wasn't worth your time (especially video game stuff and computers), which all have razor think profit margins.
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another question for you guys
the more I think about it I think Id like smaller surrounds mainly for looks and would be easier to get my wife to sign off on the project
so any suggestions on surrounds that are smaller then the Fusion-8 Alchemy to go with three Fusion-12 Tempest that will be the front stage

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the 8 inch alchemy is a pretty darn good size for surround duty. Don't know if I'd recommend going smaller. The single 8 from JTR is pretty small but the price of 1 would dwarf making 3-4 alchemy 8s
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