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DIY Speakers and Subs > Suggest me a build using 2226J's
Jesse S's Avatar Jesse S 12:22 AM 07-21-2013
Criteria:

pair of speakers
JBL 2226J's (have a bunch of these already so don't say H's)
economical ($150-300 tops)
2-way design with compression driver and horn
passive or active - I have a Rane AC-23, not the best, it's good enough, or perhaps a passive kit (i don't have time or skill to solder all that stuff)
cabinet can be ~20" wide and 26-36" tall as needed
prefer sealed, they only need solid output to 40hz since I have an IB subwoofer
will be powered by my Parasound HCA-1206 (125 x 6), could also use my Dynaco ST-70 for the CD in bi-amp

thanks

Thatsnasty's Avatar Thatsnasty 03:19 AM 07-21-2013
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Criteria:

pair of speakers
JBL 2226J's (have a bunch of these already so don't say H's)
economical ($150-300 tops)
2-way design with compression driver and horn
passive or active - I have a Rane AC-23, not the best, it's good enough, or perhaps a passive kit (i don't have time or skill to solder all that stuff)
cabinet can be ~20" wide and 26-36" tall as needed
prefer sealed, they only need solid output to 40hz since I have an IB subwoofer
will be powered by my Parasound HCA-1206 (125 x 6), could also use my Dynaco ST-70 for the CD in bi-amp

thanks

I know this is a little bit big but what about something like the JBL 4675?
http://www.jblpro.com/BackOffice/ProductAttachments/4675c_48.pdf

Dual 2226j's to reach an 8ohm load, under a horn / cd .
Mfusick's Avatar Mfusick 07:13 AM 07-21-2013
WHY / WHERE did you get a bunch of JBL drivers ?
louisdamani's Avatar louisdamani 07:36 AM 07-21-2013
Erich H might still have 2226j's. OP, there is a SEOS-12/ 2226J/ DNA-360 or DE250 crossover done already.
Jay1's Avatar Jay1 11:04 AM 07-21-2013
Those JBL's would be ridiculous for a TWW 2.5 way tower with a SEOS 15. That's what I would be building if I somehow acquired a bunch of $500 woofers.
Mfusick's Avatar Mfusick 12:04 PM 07-21-2013
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Erich H might still have 2226j's. OP, there is a SEOS-12/ 2226J/ DNA-360 or DE250 crossover done already.

Or you could do a Pi / De250
louisdamani's Avatar louisdamani 12:23 PM 07-21-2013
He has 2226j's not H's. Has Wayne done a crossover for that ohm?
mobeer4don's Avatar mobeer4don 12:54 PM 07-21-2013
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OP, there is a SEOS-12/ 2226J/ DNA-360 or DE250 crossover done already.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1422024/seos-12-dna-360-jbl-2226-j-build/60

Crossover on post # 147
Thatsnasty's Avatar Thatsnasty 01:06 PM 07-21-2013
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He has 2226j's not H's. Has Wayne done a crossover for that ohm?

Apparently he's had some people who've tried.

http://audioroundtable.com/forum/index.php?t=msg&goto=73572&&srch=2226j#msg_73572

Seems it would work but hasn't been tested fully. Probably better off with the SEOS design.
Martycool007's Avatar Martycool007 07:03 PM 07-21-2013
I plan on building a trio of Seos-15/BMS-4550/JBL-2226 for my theater room. I think that would be a giant killer when it comes to movies.
shadyJ's Avatar shadyJ 07:26 PM 07-21-2013
I'd love to see a stacked MTM design using two 2226s and something like a SEOS 15. That would be monstrous.
LTD02's Avatar LTD02 10:11 PM 07-21-2013
be a task big or small...



:-)

http://sinjitara.exblog.jp/m2010-11-01/
LTD02's Avatar LTD02 10:14 PM 07-21-2013
you might drop a note to wayne parham
and ask if has a crossover worked out
for the -j. i don't know if he has or
not, but i wouldn't be surprised if he
has or knows of someone who has.
shadyJ's Avatar shadyJ 10:57 PM 07-21-2013
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be a task big or small...

Wow, the sensitivity on those have to be incredible.
Jesse S's Avatar Jesse S 02:31 PM 07-23-2013
Thanks for the advice. The SEOS-12, DNA-360, 2226J combo seems good for my needs.

So the costs would be about

SEOS-12 - $28 x 2
or
SEOS-15 - $60 x 2

DNA-360 - $75 x2

What crossover are people using for this or does everyone do active crossover?

What advantage does the larger SEOS-15 have over the 12?
Martycool007's Avatar Martycool007 06:43 AM 07-24-2013
For the crossover I believe that Wayne Parham has developed a passive for the 2226h for use in his 4pi, but I am not sure if he has developed a crossover for the 2226j. There have been a couple of builds using the Seos-12 and the 2226h.


The main benefit for the Seos-15 over the Seos-12 is that it can be used with a compression driver that is crossed lower than the Seos-12.
tuxedocivic's Avatar tuxedocivic 07:52 AM 07-24-2013
I did the SEOS 12 / 360 / 2226J with Brad and also looked at the files for the 2226H with Matt. I can help you with the passive XO and give you active settings as well if you'd like. Since you already have an active dsp and all.
Jesse S's Avatar Jesse S 10:25 PM 07-24-2013
I would prefer a passive design for future simplicity - so the speakers could be used on any receiver without extra gear. How hard would it be to assemble the crossovers and about how expensive?
tuxedocivic's Avatar tuxedocivic 10:30 PM 07-24-2013
Do you have soldering experience. ? I can help walk you through it.

The parts will probably cost around $30/speak.
Jesse S's Avatar Jesse S 01:49 AM 07-26-2013
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

WHY / WHERE did you get a bunch of JBL drivers ?

I bought 6 from Eric's big driver sale. Only using 1 pair but one day I'll make 6 speakers out of them.
Jesse S's Avatar Jesse S 01:51 AM 07-26-2013
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Do you have soldering experience. ? I can help walk you through it.

The parts will probably cost around $30/speak.

I can do basic soldering. My friend could probably help if there is anything more complicated.

Thinking about it though, maybe I would like an active setup. I like the flexibility and control. With passive it has to be pretty much right and all you can do is tone controls or nasty EQ.
Martycool007's Avatar Martycool007 05:16 AM 07-26-2013
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I can do basic soldering. My friend could probably help if there is anything more complicated.

Thinking about it though, maybe I would like an active setup. I like the flexibility and control. With passive it has to be pretty much right and all you can do is tone controls or nasty EQ.

If you have the spare amp channels, and a devise to use as the active crossover, then I say go for it! But if it were me, and I was going to go with the added cost and complexity of an active setup, I would
recommend that you wait and get a Seos-15 in leu of a Seos-12 as I believe that with an active Seos-15 setup you can squeeze out a little better performance, sound quality wise.
tuxedocivic's Avatar tuxedocivic 12:59 PM 07-26-2013
Not bad advise. If you're desparate to build today, then active setting and passive cross over are already done. If you can be patient and wait for tomorrow, the SEOS15 should be done fairly soon and would likely be marginally better. You'll have to wait for cross over work to be done though. So I'd say you should expect to wait 6 months...
mobeer4don's Avatar mobeer4don 06:10 PM 07-26-2013
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Thinking about it though, maybe I would like an active setup. I like the flexibility and control. With passive it has to be pretty much right and all you can do is tone controls or nasty EQ.

Given that the 2226 rolls of relatively smoothly it really isn't that hard to get it right. It has been done in many, meaning tens of thousands, 2 and 3-way systems.

Just build it! wink.gif
Mfusick's Avatar Mfusick 07:01 AM 07-29-2013
Just build it.
Jesse S's Avatar Jesse S 12:49 AM 07-31-2013
Would you guys bother with a 3-way setup? I have four JBL 127H drivers (10" woof)
A9X-308's Avatar A9X-308 01:17 AM 07-31-2013
Not with the 127H. If you had 2123 or 2012's I'd say yes. I used a 2225/2123/Ewave CD and DE250 system for a while, all active and I thought it was terrific. It was in a much bigger room than I use now so the dispersion not being controlled quite as low wasn't an issue. I use an almost identical design for my surrounds now, but using AE drivers instead of JBLs.

With what you have an active 2226/SEOS15 looks pretty good.
Martycool007's Avatar Martycool007 05:34 AM 07-31-2013
If someone was going to build some mid-bass cabinets with the JBL2226, what would be a good enclosure size and what would be a good way to power and implement them with an existing monitor setup? I would assume that using a plate amp with speaker in/out's would be a good way of doing this?
Jesse S's Avatar Jesse S 10:04 AM 07-31-2013
Marty-

that's my franken-setup now. I have a single 2226 in a cabinet about 20" square crossed at about 250hz to my JBL 8340's sitting on top as mains. They each get a channel of my parasound 1206, so the 2226's get maybe 75 watts since they are 16 ohm. Volume capability is still ample with the high sensitivity.
Martycool007's Avatar Martycool007 07:51 PM 07-31-2013
Jesse, how do they perform in this situation?
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