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Old 07-30-2013, 01:26 PM - Thread Starter
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So I recently purchased my first home and would like to upgrade my home theater system. I currently have a sony htib which I have come to find is lacking in most aspects but specifically the bass. The room this system will go in is approx 18x20x8. It is a connected kitchen and living room so it is mostly open. It will be 95% movie watching and video games. I am a bachelor so my comfy chair is about 12ft from the tv but I would like to have good sound on the couch which is off center to the left.
My original research had me looking hsu hybrid 3 package with a denon x1000. I looked aound more and the total kept rising and rising. My brother is very in A/V of all types and has built some of his own HT subs, and I have talked to him which turned me onto to building my own setup. My father is a old school DIY'er so I would have some help when I need it.
What I am looking for is to spend about $1000 for the 5.0 speakers. I have looked around diysoundgroup but really have no idea where to start. Then another $500 for the sub, whether one or two, and 12" or 15" I have no idea. Then either the x1000 from a4l or would it be a better idea to do seperate amp and tuner? Would like to keep the reciever or amp setup under $500 as well.
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Maybe 4 fusion-8 alchemy as L/R and surrounds

fusion 8 alchemy mtm for the center

a behringer inuke6000dsp or ep4000 hooked up to 2 DIY dayton 18" sealed subwoofers

a denon x2000 from avscience, who will give you a great price.

Would be an unreal set-up. Might cost more like $2.5k not sure.
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Maybe 4 fusion-8 alchemy as L/R and surrounds

fusion 8 alchemy mtm for the center

a behringer inuke6000dsp or ep4000 hooked up to 2 DIY dayton 18" sealed subwoofers

a denon x2000 from avscience, who will give you a great price..

I was looking at the fusions. I was thinking of using the fusion 8 alchemy mtm as a center and fusion 8 alchemys as surrounds. Then kicking the L/R's up to fusion 10 maxs because why not?

As for the sub, would it still work to use only one sub for now and upgrade to another one later if I feel like I need it. I've never really had a big system like this in my house.

Is there a reason to go witht the x2000 over the x1000??

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I was looking at the fusions. I was thinking of using the fusion 8 alchemy mtm as a center and fusion 8 alchemys as surrounds. Then kicking the L/R's up to fusion 10 maxs because why not?

As for the sub, would it still work to use only one sub for now and upgrade to another one later if I feel like I need it. I've never really had a big system like this in my house.

Is there a reason to go witht the x2000 over the x1000??

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Yeah fusion 10 max would be fine, but maybe go with tempest 12 instead, it's a good step up, and it's the same designer as the fusion 8 mtm so they will be voiced similar. Either way any of them will be good. Yes you can start with 1 sub then upgrade later. The x2000 is 7 ch so it has a bigger power supply and more power to give 5 channels, but looking at the prices on amazon it's 200 bucks more so that would definitely not be worth the upgrade. See the prices that avscience will give you, give them a call they give good deals over the phone. Unless the price difference is like 50 bucks the x2000 probably isn't worth it actually.

you should check out last years models like maybe the 3312 ci or 3313 ci or around there, they will be a very good price and are just as good or better than the x2000/x1000
check out the 2313 and 2113 too
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you should check out last years models like maybe the 3312 ci or 3313 ci or around there, they will be a very good price and are just as good or better than the x2000/x1000
check out the 2313 and 2113 too

Is it worth it to get one with audessey eq xt32?
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Is it worth it to get one with audessey eq xt32?

If you get a sub setup that includes EQ functions, like a behringer NU DSP amp, or add a MiniDSP to any other amp (only $105), absolutely NOT needed to overspend on a receiver just for a very minor EQ job on your subs.
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at this point for you there's better places to put your money than shelling out a couple hundred extra for xt 32.
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I would say that XT32 is excellent, though - it has vastly improved my previously unEQd system!

Onkyo 818 is on sale at the moment as the new models are coming in - I think they're around 600 (£ or $, seems to be the same regardless of currency rolleyes.gif) and that's the cheapest way to get XT32 because the only other models that will have it on after the 818 is sold out are all 1k+.
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I would say that XT32 is excellent, though - it has vastly improved my previously unEQd system!

Onkyo 818 is on sale at the moment as the new models are coming in - I think they're around 600 (£ or $, seems to be the same regardless of currency rolleyes.gif) and that's the cheapest way to get XT32 because the only other models that will have it on after the 818 is sold out are all 1k+.

What you don't say is how much better Multieq Xt32 is than Multieq XT or just plain Multieq which was really the question at hand.

IME even Multieq is a vast upgrade over nothing.
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What you don't say is how much better Multieq Xt32 is than Multieq XT or just plain Multieq which was really the question at hand.

IME even Multieq is a vast upgrade over nothing.
I'm afraid I can offer no input on that front, unfortunately - I've only recently got into AV stuff and the 818 is my first 'proper' AVR!

The guys on AVForum do seem to think it is a marked step up from previous EQ programs, though, in that it is more powerful and a therefore a bit cleverer (technical terms lol). Pop over and have a look round! biggrin.gif
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I have been trying to glean as much info as possible from the forum and i appreciate all the help I have gotten so far! I have plenty of space and am willing to build and rearrange stuff. After readin some other threads it seems like the cheap thrills sound like they offer great performance as long as you have the space which I do. Should I hold off until there is another buyout with a speaker that fits or is there something similair around the same price? I was thinking of 3 for LCR. For the sub the dayton kits seem to be popular as do the UXL-15,18's and it looks like there is a group buy getting started up on those.
I'm still wavering on the AVR. Denon really has my interest but whether x1000, 2313, 3313, or something else I really dont kno, really just depends on price at the time.
Thanks again!
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Old 08-18-2013, 03:08 AM - Thread Starter
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Denon X2000, 3xtempests and 2xfusion 8s bought.
I have one question about subs since wiring isnt my thing. My idea is to get 3 of the dayton ultimax 15s which are dvc 2ohms 800rms and use an ep4000 bridged to power them 2400rms at 4ohms. Using this diagram it seems that my idea won't work because the ep4000 can't run bridged at 2ohms or is not listed as being able to. Is there a way around that or do I need to hit the drawing board again?

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You could buy 4 of the Daytons biggrin.gif

http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/rftech/woofer_wizard.asp?submitted=true&woofer_qty=4&woofer_imp=3

Perhaps a 2x dual-opposed setup, 600w RMS per driver, running 4 Ohms bridged.

System Info:
Display - Panasonic TC-P55VT50
Receiver - Onkyo TX-NR809
Blu-Ray Player - Pioneer BDP-320
Front - Pioneer SP-FS51LR (with modified pedestal bases)
Center - Pioneer SP-C21
Surround & Surround Back - Pioneer SP-SS41LR (the 'SS' is for custom boxes)
Subwoofer - Eclipse 88100DVC (x2),...
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Sadly my room size limits me and 4 would be too much. As it is 3 is pushing it frown.gif
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Sadly my room size limits me and 4 would be too much. As it is 3 is pushing it frown.gif

Yah... 4 boxes would be a lot to fit in most rooms that double as both home theater and living area... What I was thinking was 2 boxes total, each box w/2 drivers, each driver facing opposite the other. Something like this:


System Info:
Display - Panasonic TC-P55VT50
Receiver - Onkyo TX-NR809
Blu-Ray Player - Pioneer BDP-320
Front - Pioneer SP-FS51LR (with modified pedestal bases)
Center - Pioneer SP-C21
Surround & Surround Back - Pioneer SP-SS41LR (the 'SS' is for custom boxes)
Subwoofer - Eclipse 88100DVC (x2),...
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I do like that idea but right now I would like to get something with a flat pack. Hopefully Erich has his dual opposed 15 boxes done soon biggrin.gif
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So a quick update, I purchased a Denon X2000, Peavey IPR2 5000 amp, 2 15" Ultimax subs, 2 fusion 8's and 3 Tempests. No I just have to make it all fit in my living room biggrin.gif I got flat packs and assembled crossovers so things should go very smoothly. I have banana plugs for all the wires, but looking at the amp it doesnt have any inputs or outputs I recognize, so I'm not really sure how I should go about googling instructions on setting things up. Anybody able to help get me started or point me to the right cables?

Thanks!
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