Originally Posted by nfraso
This is the kind of knee-jerk defense I'm talking about that you're too eager to contribute when it comes to Chase. Why? You feel like you have to sweep stuff he says under the rug so that everyone will just get along because Craig is just "misunderstood". Some might have believed that once upon a time, but as he's been "misunderstood" for years now, there's little to wonder at this point.
Why build this when you can just buy my stuff is no misunderstanding, it's undeniably his business model. Which would be fine I guess if it was presented as just another option with merits suggested to stand on it's own.
But to step on someone else's head and go as far as to say "why would anyone want to bother" with Erich's kits... though unsurprising at this point, pretty disappointing to find anyone supporting it.
I'll gladly work on putting together a new thread to cover this GTG's comparison and results and move the discussion if that's what you'd prefer. Just say the word.
Though I do agree with nube and look forward to new measurements of the IB when the mic arrives.
No, it is because you take a quote and discuss it in a negative way because you are biased in your opinion. I have met Craig twice and he did not talk bad about anyone so you want me to lie?
The challenge of the SEOS was for anyone to do, I just took the opportunity to do so because now I have 3 SEOS speakers. If you want to make that a conspiracy theory go right ahead. The problem is you want to bring Chase over here and discuss your issues with them. You monitor a forum which you supposedly hate and copy and paste over here and get people involved. You actually bring Chase threads to the forefront all by yourself whether good or bad. People usually just move on. So let's move on and discuss the IB and SEOS for crying out loud. Why would you even care if someone liked the theater 10 more than the SEOS. Now on to my experiences.
The IB trounces everything in it's wake. No comparison. The biggest thing I have noticed is the very short decay times because the bass hits hard and gone! Concrete floors help with that as well but my other systems were on the same floor.
I won't get into the setup as that was already copy and pasted by nfraso, thanks.
Anyways I suggested to the guys to have a list of things they liked in a speaker and then I used my speaker shootout criteria because that is what I look for. I shared this with the guys and it became the standard. I listened for dynamics, detail, soundstage, midbass, feeling, and overall which was a better cinematic experience. We listened to 3 clips consisting of Iron Man 2, Avatar, and Open range. First it was speaker A and to me it was very smooth with laid back highs but all the detail. I thought the bass was a little overwhelming compared to the speaker so I figured this was the bass being run hot. As soon as speaker B was listened to I immediately thought the levels were higher or the speaker was not level with the bass. I waited for someone else to bring this up and they did so it was turned down 4 dBs but that was guessing as I thought it was still a little louder. How many times I tell myself to bring and spl meter just in case and I never do! Anyways I thought speaker B had more detail(easier to hear because louder), more dynamics, and a better overall presentation. I still thought during Avatar when the queen spoke you could feel speaker A better and when the musical score hit you had a little better midbass punch. I chalked this up to a loudness thing and or an Audyssey thing. The SEOS was laid back compared to my DR's but it was better balanced without any EQ. So I recommended to try again but this time no audyssey. We used a different movie altogether but I just wanted to hear some quick differences without Audyssey. We listened to the intro of despicable me with both sets and now the levels were close. Again, not sure if exact but now I could tell the SEOS was more alive than before. Frankly, I could not tell much difference between the speakers this time but it was a short clip. I thought maybe the theater 10 was a little bit more dynamic but again I needed more time with known sources to really decide. To me the theater 10 is a worthy replacement for the Sho's because of two things, they had better midbass punch(when hitting a drum) and the one thing I liked about them was the more live sound they had. I never got that sound from the SHO-10's before but I will retry the SHO-10's in my theater and have a 3 way battle. My DR's just have a much bigger more dynamic sound than both so I know why I have them. Anyways, I liked the feel and some midbass(score) on the SEOS better but like the dynamics and live sound of the theater 10's better. It would be up to the individual to decide what they like better. The SEOS could be played loud and the highs are very nice and smooth. My DR's can bite your head off if you are not careful. The SEOS would be about $310 shipped with paint. The theater 10's will be $395 shipped. I would need more time with both in my room to determine. The theater 10's cabinets are cool looking with the triangle shape. I like the speakon jacks but I think Craig is changing them to binding posts. I would love to have more time and listen to them again. They are closer than not which I could tell without EQ. BTW, I threw in a 888 LP as a center just to compare quickly and I don't think anyone noticed a difference in that small clip. I did, I could feel it a bit more. Also, I was dead center in front!
The surprise of the day were the Salk Song towers! I like these for 2 channel very much, awesome speakers. Too bad they would blow up in my theater.