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I was leaning more towards a cheaper sub and getting twice as many. My initial budget might be $1500 if I'm lucky, but I'll plan to add a couple or more each year over time until I'm happy.

The idea of doing a riser horn under the second row I'm not sure about.


Ideally I'd only need about 4 subs 18" sealed to get me flat to 15hz and the level I would listen at (reference or less).

But I'd want something excessive to show off or just experience and smile from time to time, and for music and parties. There's a full bar in my plan and it's going to be an entertainment space. I don't need flat to 15hz though. Flat to that low (or lower) at say 135db isn't needed, but I'd like to hit 30hz to 80hz that loud for music.

Perhaps I'll do a few horns but turn them off for reference quality movie watching - and just tune the room and system without them for great movie audio. If I want to get silly I can just turn them on.

Would that make any sense? Or am I crazy ?

My room is going to have less cabin gain for being so large.

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You say you want a simple build but then talk about horns.... Have you built horns before? If 15hz is what you want, go ported, add as needed, call it a day. UXL 18 in a ported enclosure is a monster.
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Flat to that low (or lower) at say 135db isn't needed, but I'd like to hit 30hz to 80hz that loud for music
Full blown concert touring sound doesn't go that loud. 120dB, max, and that's painfully loud. And that's assuming the venue allows it that loud. Most don't, rightfully concerned about being sued for causing hearing damage to the audience.

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Yeah I want it silly loud. Louder than you should.

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Yeah I want it silly loud. Louder than you should.
Enjoy your tinnitus later. It really is fun fun fun to have a never ending high pitched squeal in your ears. Mm-mm good!
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That's true^ but also requires extended listening.

A 30 second demo to impress someone isn't that bad. Not as bad as any modern concert anyways.

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That's true^ but also requires extended listening.
Um, not much.
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I think right now I am leaning towards:

1099 for LCR
FUSION 8 for Wide/Heights
Fusion8 or Coax for dual sides in columns
fusion 8 for back

I'm undecided on ATMOS, but would wire for it.

Bass solution, I am leaning towards UXL18 in either ported @16hz or Ghorns. With (8) Infinity 1260 "smoothing subs" in the base of each of my columns.

Thoughts or possible problems? The mixing of ported and sealed or horns is the only thing that worries me. Talk to me about waveguides as surrounds vs coax ?

My room is 36 long by 25 wide (big) so I was thinking I'd have enough space for using waveguides for surrounds. Am I wrong? Coax better ?

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This thread is about mixing sealed and ported.
Blending ported and sealed - analog vs. digital HPF... and other ramblings....

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It is easily done if you select the correct phased hpf slope.

Honestly, my two ported caps have more output than I ever use. People on this forum sometimes ask why I don't scoop up another pair of used caps next (instead of buying the eight ultimax for my nice veneer sealed enclosures) - well that is why.

So if you are doing the infinity column smoothing subs, you might just start with two of the uxl-18 ported subs, or two ghorns. Either way is already a tremendous amount of bass! The two caps are capable of low 130 dB range for music listening at seating position and you just don't go there too often. I've owned my caps since mid 2011, and they still make me giddy when I demo them for guests at reference level volumes. In all the demos I've given I've never once had someone tell me they crave more bass than I can dish out. Not even pennynike1. Instead the two subs are always the star of the show.

Sounds like your getting close to a decision, and a good one! Enjoy the setup!
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I'm leaning towards (80%) a few tapped horns (lilmike helping me) and some sealed smoothing subs so my main interest will be integrating them properly.

Can I use a simple minidsp to do that ? Or an inukedsp ?

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I'm leaning towards (80%) a few tapped horns (lilmike helping me) and some sealed smoothing subs so my main interest will be integrating them properly.

Can I use a simple minidsp to do that ? Or an inukedsp ?
Yes. I am using both and they are great for tuning!

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Ever used the DIRAC?

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5k on all the speakers?


How about 24 1260 in ported box tuned to 23hz. Giving each sub 3cubic feet and 3inuke6k that's $750 on subs 1200 on amps. Wood probably be 6 sheets mdf so a few hundred more. Or another 8 more subs and 1 more amp. 32 12" subs 4 inuke6k you have mini dap so no need first the 6kdsp save $200 $2400 total + wood.
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How about 24 1260 in ported box tuned to 23hz.
23Hz is far too high a tune for many around here.
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Ever used the DIRAC?
Bit out of your budget isn't it?
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Bit out of your budget isn't it?
Compared to what ? a Trinov pre/pro?

Lol. I thought it was reasonable for what it does.
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5k on all the speakers?


How about 24 1260 in ported box tuned to 23hz. Giving each sub 3cubic feet and 3inuke6k that's $750 on subs 1200 on amps. Wood probably be 6 sheets mdf so a few hundred more. Or another 8 more subs and 1 more amp. 32 12" subs 4 inuke6k you have mini dap so no need first the 6kdsp save $200 $2400 total + wood.
You got no LCR. Lol.
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23Hz is far too high a tune for many around here.

That 23hz tune with those subs give you the best output except in that 20hz zone, above 20 its excellent and darn loud. Also in a smaller box that si18's would require.

I have noticed everyone on the forums wants to get super low. Most of the content I hear doesn't dip below 20 and for music its almost non existent. Going bang for the buck, I think tuning to 23 is great, you get more in the upper end where that sub shines and tuning 23hz instead of 20, your only loosing .5db @20hz and gaining much more in the upper end. You could tune it lower but its less worthy of a choice and then you should go with a larger driver. With that said modeling 32 of those 12's @23hz tune with 16,000rms. At 20hz its going to be 134db's and go up about 10 db's quickly. Its just fun speculation as well, I may make a quad ported box with some of these, the price is right.
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I have noticed everyone on the forums wants to get super low. Most of the content I hear doesn't dip below 20 and for music its almost non existent.
Check out the bass spectrum thread. There is enough there in the 'spectacular' movies that its worthwhile for a lot of us, and having experienced it, don't want to go back.

However, feel free to choose whatever suits your needs and enjoy. Make sure you 2nd order (min) HPF them all just below tune.
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I'm leaning towards (80%) a few tapped horns (lilmike helping me) and some sealed smoothing subs so my main interest will be integrating them properly.

Can I use a simple minidsp to do that ? Or an inukedsp ?
I am in a similar position with regards to adding some additional subs to my new dedicated theater setup. I currently have duel full sized MartySubs with possibly two more coming down the line, but that is not a for sure thing as I may not have the space in my room for two more 2ft by 2ft by 4ft enclosures.

With that being said, I am considering two options, those being, option #1 : a quad set of Infinity 1260's in each pillar to the left and right side of the listing position, for a total of 8 of the Infinities powered by two iNuke3000's I would want to port these but am unsure what size the pillars would need to be or the best tuning frequency.

Or option #2

Perhaps a set of 6 to 8 of the Infinity 1260's built in a ported riser that could serve for both smoothing the response and giving a nice tactical sensation. Any suggestions?
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I am in a similar position with regards to adding some additional subs to my new dedicated theater setup. I currently have duel full sized MartySubs with possibly two more coming down the line, but that is not a for sure thing as I may not have the space in my room for two more 2ft by 2ft by 4ft enclosures.

With that being said, I am considering two options, those being, option #1 : a quad set of Infinity 1260's in each pillar to the left and right side of the listing position, for a total of 8 of the Infinities powered by two iNuke3000's I would want to port these but am unsure what size the pillars would need to be or the best tuning frequency.

Or option #2

Perhaps a set of 6 to 8 of the Infinity 1260's built in a ported riser that could serve for both smoothing the response and giving a nice tactical sensation. Any suggestions?
Do you have a build thread?

I see you mention your active speakers, sub projects, riser.. etc... I'd love to follow along.

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That 23hz tune with those subs give you the best output except in that 20hz zone, above 20 its excellent and darn loud. Also in a smaller box that si18's would require.

I have noticed everyone on the forums wants to get super low. Most of the content I hear doesn't dip below 20 and for music its almost non existent. Going bang for the buck, I think tuning to 23 is great, you get more in the upper end where that sub shines and tuning 23hz instead of 20, your only loosing .5db @20hz and gaining much more in the upper end. You could tune it lower but its less worthy of a choice and then you should go with a larger driver. With that said modeling 32 of those 12's @23hz tune with 16,000rms. At 20hz its going to be 134db's and go up about 10 db's quickly. Its just fun speculation as well, I may make a quad ported box with some of these, the price is right.
Do this for your near field.

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Do this for your near field.
32 ha ha, yea good. The wife would love 32 12" subs behind the couch.

How about 4 18"s? Or 1 horn?
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32 ha ha, yea good. The wife would love 32 12" subs behind the couch.

How about 4 18"s? Or 1 horn?
I love that since you posted this you started on 8 more subs.

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I love that since you posted this you started on 8 more subs.

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I wasn't on avs for almost a month and came back and saw that too. I was thinking "wow! that wasn't long." I completely understand though.lmao

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