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http://www.parts-express.com/harriso...-pair--266-244 these will lower the gain and when i run AUD? It should set it at 0. Now what will that do for me tho? Improve what?
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http://www.parts-express.com/harriso...-pair--266-244 these will lower the gain and when i run AUD? It should set it at 0. Now what will that do for me tho? Improve what?
Yeah those should help with your setup. Just put them in line between the processor and the amp and re-run Audyssey. Your trim levels after should be around 0 or so. I had the same ones I believe.

Heres an article on amplifier gain that may help ya out. Im not an expert but have been around audio stuff all my life.

http://www.audioholics.com/audio-amp...r-voltage-gain

The Emotiva amps are a high gain amp without a gain adjustment and Audyssey only has -12db of cut and -12db of gain so when the test signal gets played the combination of high gain and high sensitivity speakers can give you too loud of a decibel reading for Audyssey to adjust down too. It may need -15db to reach the 75db needed but its maxxed out at -12db. In the same circumstance with an amp that has gain adjustment you would just lower the gain. Now if it only needed to cut -12db and no more then youd be fine but chances are more is needed. I use to have the same amp running SHO-10s and had the same problem. I I have since replaced them with Crown amps and some JBL Pro 4722 clones for my LCR. With the Crowns lower gain stage and with the gain adj. at about 3/4 Audyssey will set my trims to around -5. I actually only use Audyssey to set my trims and distance on my new setup. I dont like what it does to the big theater cabs.

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Yeah those should help with your setup. Just put them in line between the processor and the amp and re-run Audyssey. Your trim levels after should be around 0 or so. I had the same ones I believe.

Heres an article on amplifier gain that may help ya out. Im not an expert but have been around audio stuff all my life.

http://www.audioholics.com/audio-amp...r-voltage-gain

The Emotiva amps are a high gain amp without a gain adjustment and Audyssey only has -12db of cut and -12db of gain so when the test signal gets played the combination of high gain and high sensitivity speakers can give you too loud of a decibel reading for Audyssey to adjust down too. It may need -15db to reach the 75db needed but its maxxed out at -12db. In the same circumstance with an amp that has gain adjustment you would just lower the gain. Now if it only needed to cut -12db and no more then youd be fine but chances are more is needed. I use to have the same amp running SHO-10s and had the same problem. I I have since replaced them with Crown amps and some JBL Pro 4722 clones for my LCR. With the Crowns lower gain stage and with the gain adj. at about 3/4 Audyssey will set my trims to around -5. I actually only use Audyssey to set my trims and distance on my new setup. I dont like what it does to the big theater cabs.

Good Luck
Okay i will try that. But if you can answer this what will i benefit from doing so? Other then getting the gain right so it sets it at 75db? Sound better? Cause right not its setting it below 75db around 65db.
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It should be a more procise calibration that will sound bttr basically. Getting the levels set alone helps with imaging and a more three dimensional sound. Lotta other variables too of course. Getting the room treated made the most difference in my case but the attenuators seemed to help.

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Wow, old thread, what happened anyways? Since this thread started I have listened and owned the SEOS 10, theater-10's, and Unity U215's. I had a head to head with the SEOS 10 and SHO-10's as well which was the topic. I usually try to prove my opinions for myself when I get a chance.
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Wow, old thread, what happened anyways? Since this thread started I have listened and owned the SEOS 10, theater-10's, and Unity U215's. I had a head to head with the SEOS 10 and SHO-10's as well which was the topic. I usually try to prove my opinions for myself when I get a chance.
Mk! Yes i came across a thread in the new chase website where you referred to me and this thread. Forgot about it. Anyway i seen in the thread that chase made a deal with you to build the fusion 10 and bring them to gtg and you get to keep them. Anyway i was looking at the Theater-10s can you tell me your input on all 3 speakers? Sho10 TH10 and fusion10
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You own the SHO-10's right?
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You own the SHO-10's right?
Yes!
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They sound excellent. I do like the SEOS 10 better for its smoother sound. I would not alter the SHO-10's, I would sell them and get the SEOS 12 or 15. The 12 should be the Delta lite. The behringer speaker is getting good reviews as well. The SEOS 10 is bigger than the SHO-10 and might require a different crossover so to me too much work for a smoother high end.
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They sound excellent. I do like the SEOS 10 better for its smoother sound. I would not alter the SHO-10's, I would sell them and get the SEOS 12 or 15. The 12 should be the Delta lite. The behringer speaker is getting good reviews as well. The SEOS 10 is bigger than the SHO-10 and might require a different crossover so to me too much work for a smoother high end.
Yea im mostly going to go with the SEOS SENTINEL 15 or 1099 speaker. Not going to mess with the sho10s. Now the behringer speaker your talking about is the theater 10 from chane and music?
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No, the behringer 215 is getting great reviews but people prefer the 1099 from a recent GTG. There was No EQ so not one speaker sound their best. How much are the 1099's? That gets into JBL pro prices and stiffer competition IMHO. Any of these options will be an upgrade but $300 each for the SHO-10's was a very good price.
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No, the behringer 215 is getting great reviews but people prefer the 1099 from a recent GTG. There was No EQ so not one speaker sound their best. How much are the 1099's? That gets into JBL pro prices and stiffer competition IMHO. Any of these options will be an upgrade but $300 each for the SHO-10's was a very good price.
Oh okay i got to look up the behringer 215 never heard much about it. 1099 have no price yet. 1099 look like to be the best speaker from DIYSG. But waiting to see what woofer is going to be used in the new SEOS 15.
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Oh okay i got to look up the behringer 215 never heard much about it. 1099 have no price yet. 1099 look like to be the best speaker from DIYSG. But waiting to see what woofer is going to be used in the new SEOS 15.
Use the sho's as surrounds?

That's what we did and now have the Tempest 12's as mains. They are just awesome!!!
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