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post #31 of 81 Old 10-29-2013, 06:51 PM
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Sounds great...Newegg, here I come...thanks, guys!
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bump.

looks like the same 'guy' is selling inuke 3000 dsp for $269 delivered.

that seems like a pretty good price too.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Behringer-NU3000DSP-iNuke-3000-Watt-Power-Amplifer-w-DSP-Control-USB-Interface-/390685280133

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In another Thread someone mentioned that you want cfm of at least 30. My noctua has 32 I think.


this is the fan i use in my EPs, ive yet to have an issue with them because of heat. both of mine run 4 Ohm Stereo

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I got it for $240...biggrin.gif

Also $240.00; wondering if $230 would have got it . . .
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looks like the same 'guy' is selling inuke 3000 dsp for $269 delivered.

Yes, LTD...a couple of us grabbed them by making offers for $240...smile.gif

I am going to keep watching for an iNuke 6000 to replace my Crown K2.

The iNukes are just so darned efficient...it would help so that I don't worry so much about blowing breakers...tongue.gif
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Got mine for $240 also, will be delivered by Monday 11/4 biggrin.gif

Fan mod, here is what I did on my iNuke6000 dsp, need to order 1 for this now.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1359039/behringer-inuke-nu3000-first-impressions-i-need-replacement-fan-suggestions/150#post_23408079

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What's the better deal here? The EP4k for $279 or the iNuke for $240?

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"If you're building sealed 18 subs keep in mind that the iNuke's FR starts rolling off just below 20Hz from the reports I've read."

who is spreading that mis-information?



http://forum.speakerplans.com/behringer-inuke-nu6000-vs-kam-kxd7200-bench-tested_topic69202.html

I apologize if I am participating in the propagation of this mis-information. I'm not doing so intentionally. I had read this more than once although I don't remember in which thread or even on which site as I'm all over the place when I do searches through Google. I tried to find the posts in my limited free time, but couldn't find any other than one reference stating that below 10Hz, the limiters start kicking in due to the higher demand on power. It was because of these reports that I went the EPX4000 + MiniDSP route.

If these reports are wrong, then the newly announced iNuke NU12000DSP may be a contender to replace my FP14000 clone if it starts acting up.
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looks like the same 'guy' is selling inuke 3000 dsp for $269 delivered.
I can't vouch for this outfit, (and I'm not claiming you're finding need for anyone to do so) but I went by their facilities this morning. Googling them, I found their website http://www.uniquesquared.com/ and location - it's not too far from my house. I went by and found that they are in an office building in a warehouse district in Atlanta. They wouldn't sell to me direct, but they seem legit.
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I don't want to go off-topic more than necessary, but why do you need sub 20 hz output considering that you can not hear below that frequency? Is it just for butt kickers?
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What's the better deal here? The EP4k for $279 or the iNuke for $240?

It depends on your needs and wants. I was originally going to buy the EP4000, as it is more powerful across the board. Here are the *RMS* numbers from Behringer, not the peak numbers:

EP4000:

550 wpc 8 ohms stereo
950 wpc 4 ohms stereo
1250 wpc 2 ohms stereo

1750 watts 8 ohms bridged
2400 watts 4 ohms bridged

iNuke NU3000(DSP)

315 wpc 8ohms stereo
620 wpc 4ohms stereo
1040 wpc 2 ohms stereo

1250 watts 8 ohms bridged
2075 watts 4 ohms bridged

Since I will be driving 2 ohms drivers in stereo, the difference to me is very minimal 1040 wpc versus 1250 wpc. The BIG difference to me is in the power consumption:

EP4000 :

2600 watts (does not specify impedance)

NU3000(DSP):

350 watts @ 2 ohms
170 watts @ 4 ohms

So, if I am understanding these numbers correctly AND they are accurate, the NU3000(DSP) should draw considerably less current than the EP4000 and make me feel a bit safer that I won't be blowing breakers, especially considering that I am currently powering my 2 ohms per driver sub with 2500 watts RMS (Crown K2 - 1250 wpc @ 2 ohms) and my seven speakers with 2100 watts RMS (Sherbourne 7 X 300 wpc). If this works out, I would like to buy an iNuke 6000 to replace the Crown K2, as the load will be 4 ohms per channel (long story - my other sub) in the future.

Also, if you need and/or want DSP, then the NU3000 becomes a much stronger contender, as it is built into the NU3000DSP, while the EP4000 would need external DSP.

To sum it up, the EP4000 has more power, but the iNuke NU6000DSP is much more efficient, lighter (8 pounds), and has built in DSP - pick your poison...smile.gif
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"I am going to keep watching for an iNuke 6000 to replace my Crown K2."

since the 6000 cannot be bridged, what advantage are you seeing over a pair of 3000's?

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I don't want to go off-topic more than necessary, but why do you need sub 20 hz output considering that you can not hear below that frequency? Is it just for butt kickers?

Bob - you do realize you posted a "fighting sentence" in a DIY forum, where people LIVE for the LFE effect to feel in their body via SPL way down Loooowwww
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The EP4000 measures thusly;

8 ohm stereo = 450w
4 ohm stereo = 635w
2 ohm stereo = 815w


8 ohm mono = 1336w
4 ohm mono = ~1600w to ~2000w


Also, to accommodate motor loads, and prevent nuisance tripping, a typical residential circuit breaker can easily pass enormous amounts of current past the normal rated size;
For example, a 20 amp circuit can pass 7-8 times the rated 20amp trip amount, .. for up to a second or more.
It will allow up to 3x the rated amount for up to 10sec or so.
And the same 20amp circuit, can allow up to 1.5-2times the rated amount for a period extending as long as 30 seconds.

140-160 amps for a second or so.
60 amps for up to 10 seconds.
30-40 amps for up to 30seconds or so.

Yeah, 2ohm operation can pull a lot from the wall, but I'm not sure how often you may trip a breaker on an EP4000, I never have, I have two of them.

"Bob - you do realize you posted a "fighting sentence" in a DIY forum, where people LIVE for the LFE effect to feel in their body via SPL way down Loooowwww"

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Infra hearing thresholds, according to the test results of "Watanabe and Møller", the mean hearing threshold of 10 Hz is at an SPL level of 97.2 dB with a standard deviation of 6.3 dB. The mean hearing threshold of 16 Hz is at an SPL level of 87.5 dB with a standard deviation of 5.9 dB.

Read Bruce Thigpens take on things;


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I don't want to go off-topic more than necessary, but why do you need sub 20 hz output considering that you can not hear below that frequency?

You must not be from around these parts city slicker. tongue.gif

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since the 6000 cannot be bridged, what advantage are you seeing over a pair of 3000's?

Ok, here is the deal - I have one dual opposing sealed sub which uses 2 HE-15 drivers - each driver is wired for 2 ohms. My second sub is the same configuration, but with 2 Blueprint drivers which are 4 ohms each. I plan on running the dual 2 ohms sub with a NU3000DSP @ 1040 watts per driver and the dual 4 ohms sub with a NU6000 @ 2200 watts per driver. Two NU3000DSP amps ($399 normally) would currently cost me $480, and right now I can buy the NU6000DSP for $499 (normal price). I was hoping to find a deal on the NU6000DSP comparable to what I am now getting on the NU3000DSP, which would mean I might get it for $300 (same relative discount) instead of paying $480 for 2 NU3000DSPs. I know it would not be as versatile, but it would cost a lot less and I plan on running that amp at 4 ohms per channel for the foreseeable future. The Crown K2 will do for now, as it puts out 800 wpc @ 4ohms stereo and is actually a better match to the 1040 wpc of the NU6000 @ 2 ohms stereo, but I would like to eventually make the move to a more efficient amplifier for the least amount of money.

So the advantage is - $300 for a single NU6000DSP (theoretical) versus $480 for a pair of NU3000DSPs (right now)....smile.gif
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Bob - you do realize you posted a "fighting sentence" in a DIY forum, where people LIVE for the LFE effect to feel in their body via SPL way down Loooowwww

Oops, sorry - I just started hanging around this forum a couple of months ago - I didn't realize that I was opening a can of worms.
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The Noctua isn't powerful enough and will eventually cause heat issues. Plus $18 is too much for a simple fan.

I use two of these in my NU4-6000 and I haven't had one issue (it uses two fans). I leave it on all day during football Sundays. Still silent, and more than double the cooling CFM of the Noctua.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835494011 $7.99

12V, so for inukes only.
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I use two of these in my NU4-6000...

I must have hooked these LEPA fans up wrong because my inuke 6000 amp would shut down after 20 minutes of very light duty...redface.gif

I am using this fan with no problems:

http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/3110SB-04W-B50-E00/P14749-ND/2615562
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I've ordered a couple amps from these guys before - through their real website - not e-bay. They are legit -- amps came with everything in order.

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this is the fan i use in my EPs, ive yet to have an issue with them because of heat. both of mine run 4 Ohm Stereo

http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?vendor=0&keywords=3110sb-05w-b20-e00

I just put these same fans in my EPX 4000, nice and quiet.

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Also $240.00; wondering if $230 would have got it . . .
$230 worked! Looking forward to building a sub with an old Stryke HE15 with 3 PR's that I've had in storage for too many years.
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$230 for an Inuke 3000 DSP?

That's insanity.

I've owned a couple EP4000 amps and a couple Inuke DSP 3000 amps. I'd definitely take the DSP 3000 amps - because I'm in love with the INuke DSP and it more than makes up for the slight power loss which equates to only a dB or two. I wish they'd release the INuke DSP in a standalone effort with frequency adjustments down to 10hz - similar to the minidsp. I e-mailed Behringer some months back about this and they said if I could raise the interest they'd consider it...I created a thread...sadly there didn't seem to be much interest. The INuke DSP interface is nothing shy of fantastic.

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Yeah, was that a DSP and delivered for 230?

Archaea, that would be great to have a standalone version with better specs.
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Glad I could help some people out. I had to do some work to my house so my EP4000 is still sitting in the closet until I can get a sub built for it. Hopefully after all the Christmas spending is over I'll have some spare cash to throw at it.
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Yeah, was that a DSP and delivered for 230?
Yes, DSP & shipped, from the auctions discussed previously in this thread. Thanks hockey
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This was the standalone DSP petition thread. My plan was that EVERYBODY and their brother would chime in unanimously and say we want this....after a few hours ( wink.gif ) I would forward the overwhelming show of support to Behringer and they would be compelled to make a standalone DSP and offer it with all the features we wanted.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1455958/petition-to-behringer-please-create-a-stand-alone-home-theater-focused-dsp-similar-to-inukes-dsp


this plan not work out like I hope...
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That's cuz everyone is using the MiniDSP..... or happily using the already made and available DCX2496. wink.giftongue.gif

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This was the standalone DSP petition thread. My plan was that EVERYBODY and their brother would chime in unanimously and say we want this....after a few hours ( wink.gif ) I would forward the overwhelming show of support to Behringer and they would be compelled to make a standalone DSP and offer it with all the features we wanted.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1455958/petition-to-behringer-please-create-a-stand-alone-home-theater-focused-dsp-similar-to-inukes-dsp


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Anyhoo...yes, the UniqueSquared site is EXCELLENT...and I don't see anyone topping them right now as an authorized dealer.
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