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I'm wanting to change ALL my speakers to some SEOS base ones.
I just don't know what to get frown.gif

Been out of touch for a while but am back now.

Alongside my 4x FTW21's I've since added 4x SI18's (By the way love what this addition has done to my bass sound)
My speakers cannot keep up!
I have so much bass but my fronts lack detail, image and power!

I've read Gorilla, Beast, Carp, to name a few, build threads and am ready to move ahead!
I would like to start with at least the LCR asap.

I'm just soo lost on what to get. I have a lot of catching up to do!

Anyone guide me a little?

Here's the best I can do with my fronts...


I would like WAY better results from 100hz up...my speakers are all over the map.
Believe me...I tried placing them all kinds of ways...I just can't do better.

Sincerest thanks for any help.
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Haha, sorry, but that graph is kind of funny. Dead flat from 7 to 80hz and then a 10db cliff into a roller coaster.

Well, the usual applies. Size? Cost? WAF? Center channel matching?
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Haha, sorry, but that graph is kind of funny. Dead flat from 7 to 80hz and then a 10db cliff into a roller coaster.

Well, the usual applies. Size? Cost? WAF? Center channel matching?

Yes my graph suks bananas...I hate it! mad.gif

Size: No more than 20" across
Cost: Low please...looking at the Fusion 15 (Is this ok?)
WAF: Irrelevant! She has 0 say!
Center channel matching: yes and no higher than 20" cause don't want to block the screen

I was thinking for budget no more than $1500 for the LCR. Lower is even better

Anything in mind fellow Canadian?
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no higher than 20 on the center is gonna be tough with the 15 and the 12s if you go ported most of them are ~26" tall

the sealed 12s in 2 CUFT are ~21 inches tall

3 of the fusion 8 MTMs would work but im not sure they would keep up with that insane woofage you have

the Tux 99 might work as it can be configed as a center as well, no flatpack for it yet

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1479331/a-3-way-99db-multi-configurable-seos-design/0_100
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no higher than 20 on the center is gonna be tough with the 15 and the 12s if you go ported most of them are ~26" tall

the sealed 12s in 2 CUFT are ~21 inches tall

3 of the fusion 8 MTMs would work but im not sure they would keep up with that insane woofage you have

the Tux 99 might work as it can be configed as a center as well, no flatpack for it yet

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1479331/a-3-way-99db-multi-configurable-seos-design/0_100

Sibuna,

Thanks for the suggestion....
Wow the Tux99 looks awesome! It also looks beautiful.
Just saw the first thread and am already interested despite not understanding the graphs.
You say no flatpack available...is it vaporware?
Do you know if it will be available?
I need to read that thread! Thanks for pointing it out to me!

Off to read
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Since you're from Quebec, you might want to consider going without a flat pack and just ordering the waveguide and compression drivers from Erich. Then sourcing Eminence and/or B&C woofers from Q components. Might save some shipping.

Ya, 20" is tough. You don't really want the woofer to be right against the floor either. The tux10-99 or 10-97 (I still feel conceited calling it that tongue.gif ) may be a good way to go. If you really want 15" woofers. You could incorporate them into that design using active dsp, but that would add a couple hundred to each speaker, or more.

Or drop the matching idea and do Fusion 15s on each side and something in the middle.
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Since you're from Quebec, you might want to consider going without a flat pack and just ordering the waveguide and compression drivers from Erich. Then sourcing Eminence and/or B&C woofers from Q components. Might save some shipping.

Ya, 20" is tough. You don't really want the woofer to be right against the floor either. The tux10-99 or 10-97 (I still feel conceited calling it that tongue.gif ) may be a good way to go. If you really want 15" woofers. You could incorporate them into that design using active dsp, but that would add a couple hundred to each speaker, or more.

Or drop the matching idea and do Fusion 15s on each side and something in the middle.

Tux,

Would then doing the 2 fushion 15 as LR and a fusion 8 MTM for the center work or is this a bad idea?
Sorry for the stupid questions...

I don't mind that personally...I do listen to lots of music in stereo.
I'm sure this setup would destroy what I have now...NO?

Thanks for your help...

BTW. I'm not worried about ordering all from DIYSG...I have everything shipped to a US address that's 25 minutes from my place...I always do that anyways.
I would rather order complete kits vs ordering individual parts for fear of screwing up.

Thanks

PS. When will the tux10-99 be available?
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Well, I personally think it would be a big step down on your center channel, arguably the most important channel. But it can be done. I think I'd work a little harder to find a better solution though.

tux10-99 will be available as soon as Erich gets it all sorted out. The waveguides were delayed, which the CNC company needs. So it's a snow ball effect. Hopefully soon though. I might order a pair tongue.gif
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what about using one of the 10s as a center its smaller, but should be able to keep up for the most part. Same Horn/CD Smaller woofer

humm actually i dont see the Fusion 10 Max listed anymore

I know ive run one of my 10s Max's as a center with the Tempests and its been fine, and even kept up with Popalocks stupid amount of subwoofers
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humm actually i dont see the Fusion 10 Max listed anymore

Huh, news to me. I wonder if Erich ran out of DNA-350s. I think he was phasing them out. If someone wanted to XO, they could just pm me. Even using the 360 would be feasible.
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ok guys, thanks so much for your help.

After reading the Tux10-99 thread, I'm pretty sold on them and think it would work pretty good in my room.
I'll wait till they are ready and will pull the trigger then. Erich, please hurry...looks like other people interested too!

I sure hope it's soon though. I'm pretty fed up with my LCR now!

Thanks again
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Welcome to the SEOS addicts club. biggrin.gif

I too am looking forward to seeing the tux ''99 move into production. I've been happy with my 15s and will be looking to build some new stuff soon to try out.
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Welcome to the SEOS addicts club. biggrin.gif

I too am looking forward to seeing the tux ''99 move into production. I've been happy with my 15s and will be looking to build some new stuff soon to try out.

you get a CNC yet? biggrin.gif

ill prob be building 3 of these as well, assuming i have the time before next march, plan on giving them to a cousin for a wedding gift
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Welcome to the SEOS addicts club. biggrin.gif

I too am looking forward to seeing the tux ''99 move into production. I've been happy with my 15s and will be looking to build some new stuff soon to try out.

I read your thread about the 15's...they look tempting
My LCR are about 18 years old...I need something new and NOW!

I've spent so much energy with subs and am now noticing that 100HZ up my system suks!

I look forward to building these but more importantly how they will sound in my room.
I've never heard a horn before and really am not sure what to expect!

I really need new speakers...I'm pretty much decided on the fronts and now am looking for 4 surrounds that would match up well with the Tux 1099's

Any suggestions?

Sibuna,
Saw your SEOS build thread...very, very nice...especially your surrounds!
What a beautiful job you did on those!
I can't wait to get started!
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you get a CNC yet? biggrin.gif

Still playing with my 'starter' 12x18" CNC for now. I've got the hang of most of the software so will be ready to upgrade at the start of next year. biggrin.gif It will take me until then to get the new workspace ready for it anyway. smile.gif Insulation, central dust collection, and tool storage coming right up!

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I read your thread about the 15's...they look tempting
My LCR are about 18 years old...I need something new and NOW!

I've spent so much energy with subs and am now noticing that 100HZ up my system suks!

I look forward to building these but more importantly how they will sound in my room.
I've never heard a horn before and really am not sure what to expect!

I really need new speakers...I'm pretty much decided on the fronts and now am looking for 4 surrounds that would match up well with the Tux 1099's

Any suggestions?

Many here have been happy with the Fusion-8s and Alpha-8s. I'd check them out for sure. Adam brought over the Fusion 8s and 10s and I was impressed with both. Really can't go wrong here.
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Gorilla,

Thanks for the suggestion of the fusions as surrounds...they look great to me!
Nice to hear also that you heard them and you thought they sounded great! That sure helps!

Looking forward to screw my back some more mad.gif
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Fatshaft, I'm thinking you're gonna need something with some nice midbass to add a solid contribution to your LFE.
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Sorry, educate me...
What exactly is midbass? Meaning...what range are we talking about?

Believe or not but the graph I posted above is the way I listen to pretty much everything.
I even add a little more bass if the source doesn't have much.

Like the other day I watched Pacific Rim (Was really looking forward to this movie) and was MAJOR disappointed in the bass...but boosting the low end really made a big difference and way more enjoyable.

My favorite scene that completely caught me off guard was the movie WWZ and the low end sweep when that guy threw the second grenade!
Man, that has to be the most awesome effect/feeling I have ever felt in a movie!
Completely surprised us!

What can I say...I LOVE bass! biggrin.gif
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He's talking about the 80 to 120hz range. Where the subs hand over to the mains. Everyone is on a "mid bass" kick lately. Most of the SEOS designs do midbass just fine. The Tempest has a bit of a bump in that region I believe, based on what Jeff has said. But it's a very room dependant bandwidth.
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Thanks Tux, good to hear that!
So the Tux 1099 should do well right?

thanks
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Yup. It's a 60hz tuning, but can be tuned as low as 50hz without much issue. If you're crossing at 80hz to your subs, there's plenty of midbass there.
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Tux summed it up. For me now having mains with such kick and very articulate has made me much more critical of my sub bass.
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I've spent so much energy with subs and am now noticing that 100HZ up my system suks!

I've never heard a horn before and really am not sure what to expect!

Expect this. wink.gif

(Note: These aren't my mains, they are actually my surround speakers. My mains will have better bass, but for now this will do, just fine!)



+a number of subs





Now you've heard it... (sort of).
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BTH,

Thanks for sharing that...wish I was there to experience it with my eyes and ears!
Believe or not I hit probably 130DB from my MLP with my setup already!
I'm sure I'm getting that from my subs output and not my speakers (LCR)

Saw your video but I'm sure it sounds way better at your place then listening to it from the video source.
Still sounds amazing though.

I'm anxious now to get the Tux 1099's...I really need to change my speakers.

BTW, thanks for making me look sane with everything you're doing.
I'd also like to know what you think about your SEOS upgrade sound wise?

Thanks
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I'd also like to know what you think about your SEOS upgrade sound wise?
Thanks

I think that without EQ it sounds like a $100 speaker, but after I deployed some very sophisticated EQ it now sounds like a $5000 speaker.
I had to play with the 30hz region, the 1.5khz region, and a slight boost up to 20khz to make it sound the way I would expect it to.

It took me like two weeks of tweaking the EQ's to perfection, listening and relistening, and measuring.

I think they would work best in a 3-way configuration, with some HO's on the bottom like I'm planning.

If there is one thing that these speakers are good at, it is getting LOUD, especially when you have good power behind them (at least 500watts@8 x2).
I have what is essentially quad monoblocks on them, somewhere around 10,600watts into a pair.

For critical listening I try to keep it to no-more-than 75dbA, that gives it a realistic voice level.
I'm sure if I took them outside and cranked them up they could be heard for miles.
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Here is my personal experience: I upgraded from $100 speakers to the Fusion 10's..... IMO they are not even in the same league. The increase in SQ is huge. Only subjective, but I think it counts for something wink.gif
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Bear in mind that, afaik, BassThatHz got the parts for a bunch of Cheap Thrills speakers then built them into radically oversized sealed cabinets. I'd expect them to sound overdamped and thin without eq. Assuming everything fully survived his pre-assembly stress testing in the first place.
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So BTH, If I don't EQ the SEOS, they are worth $100 of sound? eek.gif

I find that hard to believe but thanks for your opinion.

C'mon man, for real?

Anyways, I'll take my chances and see for myself that's for sure!
Can't wait to click on "ADD TO CART" when the Tux 1099 will be available.

PS. does anyone have an idea what the cost of a tux 1099 kit will be? Did I see around $500-$600?
Just trying to stay ahead and my funds ready...thanks
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I've tried to talk sense in BTH, but he ignored me. He uses eq the wrong way and was telling us about their SQ before they were even in a box tongue.gif
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