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Almost any electical solder will work fine for you. I prefer the leaded kind because it's easier to work with, but you can find lead-free stuff if you're worried about health risks.

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Don't use lead free; there is no health risk for an occasional user. Use eutectic 37/63 rosin core of a good brand. Kester would be the most easily obtained in the US.
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Don't use lead free; there is no health risk for an occasional user. Use eutectic 37/63 rosin core of a good brand. Kester would be the most easily obtained in the US.

This, you want to use 63/37 over 60/40.
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If lead free silver solder is available I would use that. Weller makes good irons.

When soldering have a wet sponge to brush the tip on, then tip the iron with a little fresh solder right before you solder. Heat the area where you are going to solder but make sure you do not over heat the area and destroy it. The little bit of fresh solder on the tip will help heat up the area you are going to solder.

You want to be there just long enough to do the joint. Make sure the iron is completely heated before you start. You melt the solder on the joint surface when working.

 

The thickness of the metal on the joint will determine how long you are on the joint. Be aware of what that joint connects to. Normaly a joint shold take no more than a second or two.

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When soldering have a wet sponge to brush the tip on
Do not do this. Use a brass tip cleaner such as this.
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I use 63/37 WBT solder on everything. Not sure why A9X is against the sponge but I've used it for 20 years and never had any issues. The brass birds nest works fine too though. If you don't have a turd of an iron, the cooling of the sponge won't affect anything.

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I use 63/37 WBT solder on everything. Not sure why A9X is against the sponge but I've used it for 20 years and never had any issues. The brass birds nest works fine too though. If you don't have a turd of an iron, the cooling of the sponge won't affect anything.

 

I solderd for ten years and the weller I used came with a sponge tray.

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Any electrical solder (rosin core) that is available to you will work just fine. Tin/lead solder is easiest to use because it has the lowest melting point. 60/40 was the staple for years and years. The only difference with 63/37 is that it is eutectic, it goes from liquid to solid without going through a pasty state, which leads to fewer cold solder joints if something has a tendency to move. Lead free solders are replacing tin/lead solders for environmental reasons. Copper, silver, etc. are added to get the solder to flow acceptably, but most don't flow as well. There is no significant advantage to using them for our purposes. And anything with more that a few percent silver will make soldering more difficult because of the higher melting point.
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Which is more desirable ?
  1. to solder all wire leads to the speaker tabs, crossover tabs, and outside speaker terminals
  2. to use a crimp-on tool to install push-on connectors on the wire for all these connections
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Which is more desirable ?
  1. to solder all wire leads to the speaker tabs, crossover tabs, and outside speaker terminals
  2. to use a crimp-on tool to install push-on connectors on the wire for all these connections

Personal preference, however each is different.

In my opinion, a good quality spring terminal on the driver, or a well executed crimped connector is fine. Crossover "tabs", if it will ever need to come apart, again a well executed crimp connection is fine, if you want to solder it, go for it. A terminal strip with mechanical set screw type block is great too. WRT outside speaker terminals, I prefer bare wire, or a Neutrik Speakon. But, fwiw my entire 7.x system is active, so ymmv eek.gif

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Or you could save some time and money and just go with a crimper and some clips.

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Which is more desirable ?
A properly installed crimp connection is fine. Electrically, it doesn't matter. So, it is up to you. If you are going to be changing internal parts around a lot, Faston connections are convenient. FWIW IMHO it is hard to beat a barrier strip for speaker terminals. Bare wire works fine with them, or you can put spade lugs on the wire.
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WOW thanks for all the great input !

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