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post #31 of 54 Old 11-14-2013, 04:09 PM
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Thanks.

As a Klipsch owner, yes they are bright. I've toned my down, and love they way they sound, but I can't help but wonder how my system would sound with different speakers.

 


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What kind of subwoofer power would be required to fill in below the tempests. I have looked at the Dayton RS390 15" in a sealed enclosure, but for the price when an amp is taken into account I could get dual SVS SB12NSDs delivered to my doorstep.
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how do you figure? 2 SB12s would run you ~1300

the Dayton is 180 for the driver.
Amps like the EP4k or Inuke 3K can be had for ~300
a box is not going to cost you 800$

Im running 2 of the Dayton 18s and they are more then enough, and a Duall op SI 15 because i have the sickness

anyway 1 15 would prob be enough unless you want to hit low teens/single digits at silly volumes
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how do you figure? 2 SB12s would run you ~1300

the Dayton is 180 for the driver.
Amps like the EP4k or Inuke 3K can be had for ~300
a box is not going to cost you 800$

Im running 2 of the Dayton 18s and they are more then enough, and a Duall op SI 15 because i have the sickness

anyway 1 15 would prob be enough unless you want to hit low teens/single digits at silly volumes

Ok. In Europe the Dayton 15 costs about half the price of a finished SB12NSD. EP4K costs 3/4 of an SB12NSD just to clarify.
A Dayton driver with small bash amp, enclosure and all would cost 30% more than a SB12.
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Oh man. There was a guy selling a pair of these 60 miles away from me on craigslist for $500. I knew I should have jumped on them when i had the chance.
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I am contemplating getting a pair of tempest 12" + 15" dayton subs for my basement. The look ok and I understand the sound is very good, but are these more directed towards cinema usage, or would they be good at playing Sarah McLachlan and softer music that has great demands when it comes to lack of box-resonances and shoutiness? Are they truly on par with very good high-end Hifi-speakers?
Answers are greatly appreciated.

The SEOS's sound pretty good to me.
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Well, it is hard to evaluate over Youtube and I haven't played music like that in 15 years so...

I never play very loud so I am perhaps thinking about waiting for new models with the Seos 10".
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How's this for mellower?.... biggrin.gif



Mirror Mirror on the wall, Who's mellowerest of them all? wink.gif

I have one track that is even mellower than this one (believe it or not), but it doesn't have any vocals in it, and half of what you'd be listening to is the oxygen atoms themselves wizzing around my room, so... biggrin.gif



Note: That other video wasn't loud BTW, it was recorded at about 50db; or about 1 millionth the max of my system. wink.gif
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Jak,
You have had a dozen people say their great. Best for the money. What's left to decide ... maybe just buy a local brand name and be finished .
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I found a track in my collection that is probably more to your liking/genre.

Chances are, you probably know it.



My electronics cost $10,000 (just the electronics), so it's not like my system isn't Hi-Fi. It's probably higher than whatever you are using, I'd bet. Just saying.
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Well, it is hard to evaluate over Youtube and I haven't played music like that in 15 years so...

I never play very loud so I am perhaps thinking about waiting for new models with the Seos 10".

The ones in that video are 15" woofers.

For what it's worth, they all play louder than most people would need. Even the 8" models. biggrin.gif
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I understand. It wasn't my intention to nag - but whenever someone says "best I've ever heard" he may not have heard any really good speakers.

I am asking; Are these up to the sound you'd get from speakers in the price range 2-3-4 000$? (Disregarding deep bass)
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I understand. It wasn't my intention to nag - but whenever someone says "best I've ever heard" he may not have heard any really good speakers.

I am asking; Are these up to the sound you'd get from speakers in the price range 2-3-4 000$? (Disregarding deep bass)

IMO Yes they run with many speakers that cost a lot more. everyones ear is different however
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I replaced my Paradigm Studio 40's with Zephyrs (the brother speaker to the Tempest), and it was a huge upgrade in sound for music (mostly blues/60's rock in my collection). I spent a long time demo'ing speakers around my area, and while there were speakers out there that I feel had an edge, the only speakers that I enjoyed more then the zephyrs were 3-4x more money (at $900 a pair with flat packs).
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. I listen to a wide range of music (mostly rock) but i do listen to folk and classical (think Beethoven and such) and never noticed any great differences in the type of music being played

the MDF kit boxes are pretty dead acoustically.

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I understand!

I listen mostly to music in stereo, but the setup will also be used for HT and gaming with subs.

Would it be wiser to go with Alcehmy 8s + Alchemy MTM as center instead at about the same cost?

I do not need the SPL from the Tempest but best possible sound in stereo is my 1st priority.

I was thinking Emotiva UMC200 + UPA500 with Alchemy 8s + Alchemy MTM + dual subs would be good for HT at an ok price?
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I understand!

I listen mostly to music in stereo, but the setup will also be used for HT and gaming with subs.

Would it be wiser to go with Alcehmy 8s + Alchemy MTM as center instead at about the same cost?

I do not need the SPL from the Tempest but best possible sound in stereo is my 1st priority.

I was thinking Emotiva UMC200 + UPA500 with Alchemy 8s + Alchemy MTM + dual subs would be good for HT at an ok price?

Here you go, Mr. Jak! Three Fusion 10 Pures at a great price, the boxes need finishing, and just in time for Christmas!

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1503392/3-seos-fusion-10-pures-600-shipped-for-all-3/0_50

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I understand. It wasn't my intention to nag - but whenever someone says "best I've ever heard" he may not have heard any really good speakers.
I am asking; Are these up to the sound you'd get from speakers in the price range 2-3-4 000$? (Disregarding deep bass)

I upgraded from 3 B&W Nautilus 803's

Now The SEOS's aren't as good as the 802 Diamonds, and do require some EQ to make it sound good, if that is what you are asking; but they will play louder than the B&W's while consuming
1/10 the wattage; so if you don't have huge monoblocks there is an advantage there too.


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I listen mostly to music in stereo, but the setup will also be used for HT and gaming with subs.
Best possible sound in stereo is my 1st priority.
I was thinking Emotiva UMC200 + UPA500 with Alchemy 8s + Alchemy MTM + dual subs would be good for HT at an ok price?

So do I, and stereo sound quality is my highest concern too.

I use the Emotiva XSP-1 and Oppo 105 (Sabre Ref DAC).
I wouldn't use the UMC200, it's of far lesser stereo sound quality.
I'd strongly recommend you get what I have instead, if you care about stereo music, which you do.

I would spurge a bit more and get the XPA-2 and 3 amp instead of the UPA500, it will be much higher SQ for stereo music.
(The XPR-1 is their reference amp, it has the least background noise of all.)

http://shop.emotiva.com/collections/amplifiers/products/xpa-2-gen-2
http://shop.emotiva.com/collections/amplifiers/products/xpa-3



How good is 105's Sabre Ref DAC?
Complete flat to Nyquist, and essentially ZERO distortion. wink.gif





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So, after much thought, I will probably get the Tempest in the near future, however. I am a bit unsure what sort of subwoofer, or woofers that should be added to the mix.

I have thought about Tempests + dual sealed 15" Daytons in a 2.2 HT/Stereo-setup, but the Tempests are ported - will they mix well with sealed subs?
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So, after much thought, I will probably get the Tempest in the near future, however. I am a bit unsure what sort of subwoofer, or woofers that should be added to the mix.

I have thought about Tempests + dual sealed 15" Daytons in a 2.2 HT/Stereo-setup, but the Tempests are ported - will they mix well with sealed subs?

Do you have any size or space restrictions? What is your budget for the subs? How large is your room? The Dayton HO15 or HF15 are definitely good drivers, unless you have a small room a pair of those in some sealed cabinets will probably not be the best option. If you can only afford two $175 dollar drivers, then by all means, get a pair of the Dayton HO15's and run them in a pair of ported enclosures tuned to say....18hz or 20hz if you have the space to put them in. Otherwise step up to either the Dayton HO18's or SI18's as they will be a good step up from the HO15's. then purchase an iNuke3000dsp off of an on-line retailer for around $230-ish, build some ported enclosures, and you will be a very happy camper! I highly recommend duel ported enclosures because you will have so much more output around the tuning frequency!
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Room is dedicated. 20 feet long. 10-12 feet wide. 7,5 feet ceiling.

I seldom play very loud, usually 70-80 dB @ sweetspot so SPL is not an issue. A single 12 inch sealed sub has been more than enough for my tastes until now so I am not that much of a bass junkie.

My first priority is SQ.
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I have thought about Tempests + dual sealed 15" Daytons in a 2.2 HT/Stereo-setup, but the Tempests are ported - will they mix well with sealed subs?

Won't be a problem if you XO at least half an octave above the port tuning freq.

With subs you don't need ported mains, which if sealed could be half, or less, the size.

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With the Dayton 15's (HO/HF/UM's etc) and one iNuke3000dsp you'll be a good 8db louder at all bass frequencies regardless of the box, vs what you have now.
Every time you double the subs and watts, it is another 6db added; more if it is beefier.
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I am looking at the Fusion 8 Alchemys. How would they compare to the Tempest? If I chose to get those instead then I could get the Alchemy MTM also and have a nearly full HT setup, but the Tempests will be better for stereo?
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